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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I'm mostly just joking.
I do think there are people who are harder on Steve (though Steve's issues—barring his inability to stop fighting—are more meta, while Tony's issues are an in-universe problem).
It's mostly that their respective reputations in universe mean that everything Tony does is taken with a grain of salt, while Steve's actions, even when he messes up are less criticized unless you're someone like Zemo, who was driven completely mad by rage at all the Avengers.
And while both show a willingness to recognize their mistakes, I suspect people consider it more sincere when Steve does it, as Tony comes off as rather devil may care even on his best days.
I don't want this to turn into a Steve bashing thing though: as I said, me picking on Tony is mainly a joke (with tiny bit of Reality Subtext).
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Well, there is a very popular "not Steve friendly" tag on AO 3, so I have to disagree.
Well, it is hard to disagree with Steve in-universe. That's the point of his character after all.
Edited by Swanpride on Aug 16th 2018 at 11:03:58 AM
AO 3 is the exception not the rule. Anti-Tony sentiment is way more popular across the net including this site.
Disagreeing with Steve isn't the issue. Disagreeing and not being punished by the universe for it is the true Herculean task. One no character has ever accomplished ever.
Edited by windleopard on Aug 16th 2018 at 11:24:20 AM
A lot of (ex-)Stony fans soured on Steve hard and abandoned the ship believing Tony to be utterly faultless in the matter, too good for that nasty Steve, and even going so far as to pin blame on Bucky and argue that Tony was entitled to killing him for catharsis. A large portion of current Ironstrange shipping is angry Tony stans trying to give Steve the Ron the Death Eater treatment and having Tony move onto Strange as his new flame out of spite.
Yeah. I'm very glad Ao 3 finally has the option to exclude things while browsing, but the fact that I have to filter out things like "not Steve friendly" in the Captain America section is horse shit. I don't spam the Iron Man section with stories depicting Stark as an irredeemable shitheel finally 'getting what he deserves'; why can't Stark fans show the same courtesy?
Yeah, I have more or less fled to Irondad fanfictions. Not that I was that much into Stony to begin with, I usually simply prefer canon pairings. Give me a good time travel story which allows Peggy and Steve to reunite any day! Or a simple gen story.
Though the abandonment of Stony had the nice effect that it is way easier to find Irondad gen stories now….
As I said, AO 3 is the exception not the norm. Toy gets death eatered way more than Steve everywhere else and was getting that long before Civil War.
Where exactly is "everywhere else"? AO 3 is THE go to fanfiction side outside of Fanfiction net.
Well, blaming a character for things which are understandable...I have never truly seen this with Tony, but in Steve's case, it usually means turning him into some unreasonable fascist, who would never admit being wrong about anything, and also a freeloader for living in the tower and absolutely thankless towards Tony.
I have seen the "Steve's apology was insensitive" train of thought here. I might misremember, but I can't remember having ever seen Tony getting accused of anything other than the stuff he actually did (ie turning Ultron lose) and nobody ever acted as if he did it deliberately. If anything I have seen the typical "it is all Wanda's fault" argument, which is so common in stories which are all about making Tony out as some poor victim of the other Avengers.
Really, because from what I've observed Tony gets crapped on constantly. Heck he gets blamed for things that aren't really his fault, or is given all of the blame for things that other people also had a hand in. Whereas Steve is held up as a saint and his flaws are pretty much downplayed/glossed-over.
And as for Wanda, it's not about laying all of the blame on her. It's the fact that she got off 100% Scott free and suffered no real consequences for willingly helping Ultron (up to and including killing people). And that fact has been completely ignored in the MCU since then. Heck CW ignores it completely AND then has the stones (no pun intended) to treat her like some poor innocent victim that all the meanies where picking on, and WOW did that get on my nerves.
I've seen Tony get called a turncoat for supporting the Accords and "choosing" to work with Ross (despite it being clear he has love for Ross and he wasn't even the one who picked him). There's also people blaming him for the airport fight that Steve started and arguments that Steve was justified in not telling Tony about the Stark murders due to Tony's reaction. This is despite the writers themselves admitting that Tony might have taken it better if it had been revealed to him under different circumstances. That's not even getting into how eleven years and twenty films later Tony's past as a weapons manufacturer is repeatedly used to shame him while no one ever talks about, say, the people Natasha had killed before switching sides.
And please. No one outside of Tony's defenders even acknowledges Wanda's role in Ultron's creation or her crimes against the other Avengers. Pro Tony/Pro Accords five are the only place I see this being brought up and it isn't just about making Tony look like a victim but rather pointing out how much Steve's faction is morally compromised.
Edited by windleopard on Aug 16th 2018 at 2:26:24 AM

Oh yeah I'd almost forgotten that Joy Meachum randomly turned evil out of nowhere last time, still not a fan of that.
Also it looks like Typhoid Mary might also get in on the "kick Danny's ass" action as well.