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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#88401: Aug 15th 2018 at 4:07:35 PM

That could be interesting, that all they had left for Earth was the infantry because the starfighter fleet was thrashed on Xandar.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#88402: Aug 15th 2018 at 4:09:40 PM

That would totally make sense and I’m taking that as my head canon. Odds of the Russos jossing it are minimal.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#88403: Aug 15th 2018 at 6:14:32 PM

I recall it was said that Thanos was committing a portion of his forces into locating the Soul Stone, which would explain why it felt like more of a precision strike instead of a full scale invasion.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#88404: Aug 15th 2018 at 7:05:38 PM

You can also view the troops who attacked Wakanda as just being whoever happened to be in the area at the time. Why move fleets of warships across the galaxy when you can get the job done with the space equivalent of the Delaware National Guard?

Plus, it's not even a big deal if they fail. It just means Thanos has to take a few extra minutes to teleport to Earth and take care of everything himself.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#88405: Aug 15th 2018 at 7:21:05 PM

Alien armies in general suck when you consider the level of tech necessary to be a planet conquering force yet also have to be defeated by normal humans.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#88406: Aug 15th 2018 at 8:02:05 PM

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#88407: Aug 15th 2018 at 9:00:25 PM

Conquering a planet isn't cost-effective if all you want is one lousy rock that happens to be on it.

Thanos tried that shit with Loki and the Chitauri and look how that turned out. This time, he went for a Smash and Grab. Even the actual infantry invasion of Wakanda was just an empty bit of spectacle. He wasn't trying to conquer Wakanda; that battle was a distraction to keep everyone busy so that no one was paying attention to Corvus Glaive seizing the prize.

It was also totally sufficient. The thing that turned the tide was the sudden arrival of Thor on the field with his shiny new axe. Before that, the Avengers were being overrun. The forces that Thanos committed to taking Wakanda performed that task adequately, with only Thor ex Machina stopping them from wiping out Wakanda's defense.

It's hard to plan for a literal god to show up out of f*cking nowhere and proceed to rend your army in twain.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2018 at 10:07:44 AM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#88408: Aug 15th 2018 at 9:09:20 PM

Why would you need a distraction if you can stomp through them? Thanos forces have to suck so the heroes can stand a chance. Why would he give a crap about cost effectiveness if half of them are going to die anyway from the snap and he's going to retire afterwards? The bare minimum shouldn't be his strategy here.

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#88409: Aug 15th 2018 at 9:12:14 PM

I'm still hoping deep in my heart that they can just settle on a new director and the cast can cool it and work with him/her and we can still get something of quality. But uh, yeah, this has me weary. It's been rough being a Got G fan these days.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88410: Aug 15th 2018 at 9:15:28 PM

It's hard to plan for a literal god to show up out of f*cking nowhere and proceed to rend your army in twain.

Especially when you thought you'd already killed him earlier.

Also, I think it was brought up before, but Zandar getting it's entire face punched in might stem from the fact that they were probably still recovering from Ronan's earlier invasion. I mean, how much time passed between GOTG 1 and 2? I doubt they were fully recovered yet, and then Thanos came and Thanos'ed them.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#88411: Aug 15th 2018 at 9:30:43 PM

Guardians 1 and 2 both took place in 2014, and we can plausibly assume Infinity War took place in 2018 unless stated otherwise.

I personally doubt that Ronan's assault left Xandar that badly weakened four years later. He did wipe out their entire defense force at the capital city (with the aid of the Power Stone.) Afterward, the Nova Empire should've been able to temporarily fill the hole with ships from their other planets or other cities on Xandar, especially for their capital. We even see a few Nova starfighters on Xandar in Guardians 2, during Ego's attack 2 months later.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 15th 2018 at 9:32:05 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88412: Aug 16th 2018 at 12:37:55 AM

We might get to see the attack on Xandar or at least the fall-out from it in another movie.

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#88413: Aug 16th 2018 at 5:28:49 AM

If we did see that, I presume it would be in a Nova movie.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#88414: Aug 16th 2018 at 5:50:34 AM

So after Ragnarok we can call Thor's last minute save a literal deus ex machina? (I have only just realized this...)

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#88415: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:00:17 AM

Not really. The God part is definitely there, as is the sudden and unexpected rescue, but Thor's not a machine.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#88416: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:03:38 AM

IIRC Deus Ex Machina mean "God from the machine", so Thor doesn't have to be a robot.

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#88417: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:14:40 AM

I thought it was "God in the machine". If it's "God from the machine", than it counts if Nildevildir counts as a machine.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88419: Aug 16th 2018 at 7:45:28 AM

...Danny still kinda sounding like a douche there.

Luke Cage Season 2 gave me hope, so I'm a bit annoyed.

Ah well, at least Davos will kick his ass.

And if he's not a douche, then maybe I can enjoy him...and Davos will still kick his ass.[lol]

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88420: Aug 16th 2018 at 7:57:36 AM

??? What exactly is Danny doing what it douchy? Other than the usual "I am the hero and have to rescue everyone complex" under which all defenders but Jessica suffer.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88421: Aug 16th 2018 at 9:33:55 AM

Nothing much. But I'm just ragging on him while I still can (if this season is really better).

He does say he never wanted the Iron Fist, which goes against claims from the previous season.

Clearly, that's more than enough of a reason to be as harsh on him as possible.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88422: Aug 16th 2018 at 9:54:40 AM

Danny: I didn't ask for the Iron Fist.

Me: Um, that's not what you told us last season, Danny Boy.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#88423: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:09:40 AM

Yeah, last season it was kind of a plot point that Danny only got the Iron Fist because he was the only one who wanted it. He didn't understand the responsibility and duties of the Iron Fist, which left him unprepared to carry out those duties. I guess you could say he never wanted the Iron Fist as in "I never wanted this responsibility", but he's the dumbass who asked to be the chosen one without bothering to double-check what being the chosen one actually entails.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 16th 2018 at 10:12:53 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88424: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:13:49 AM

More likely is that the line is an allusion to something he pointed out last season. He didn't want the Iron Fist per see, he just craved the respect and pride of K'un-Lun and the Iron Fist was the only thing that'd earn him that. He was indoctrinated into wanting the Iron Fist.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88425: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:20:04 AM

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Meh. I say we keep making fun of him, even if your statement makes sense.

Danny Rand is like Tony Stark: completely ok to shit on.evil grin

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