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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88376: Aug 14th 2018 at 10:46:29 AM

Honest Trailer for Infinity war is out.

So much Trailer.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88377: Aug 14th 2018 at 11:17:13 AM

You know, the video makes a good point about Tony taking the existence of magic in stride, and that the destruction of Zandar is another blow to Quill's development.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#88378: Aug 14th 2018 at 11:21:14 AM

You could say the same about a certain other character that had the ending/message of their last film kind of just tossed out in IW as well.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#88379: Aug 14th 2018 at 11:22:51 AM

As long as Thanos did his Thanos thing and only killed half the planet then Quill still saved half of the planet from what Ronan was going to do to it. Provided that's what the topic is. I can't watch the video right now.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#88380: Aug 14th 2018 at 11:34:25 AM

Peter also takes the existence of the Norse gods very well. Or rather, poorly in the wrong way. :p

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#88381: Aug 14th 2018 at 11:38:15 AM

The Asgardians are a known factor in the universe. Of course most people have never met the crown prince, but they are aware of his existence. Likewise, the Guardians don't blink when Thor mentions going to get a weapon from the dwarves.

I would have liked to see a bit more of Tony and Strange's first interaction, though. I know, I know, there's limited screen time available, so I'm not really disagreeing with the choice they made, I'm just saying I wish we could have seen more of it.

And then there's Peter's reaction to them, which is just "This has been the weirdest day."

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#88382: Aug 14th 2018 at 12:03:26 PM

I wouldn't expect much of a reaction from Tony about magic. He knows that there are various powers out there that can control the weather, bend space and time, influence minds, and a whole load of other paranormal stuff, and that some of the people who can do this stuff, like Thor and Loki, call it magic.

He still likely believes there's a rational explanation for it using the scientific laws he's familiar with, but while Tony can be a snarky asshole, he's not always pedantic.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88383: Aug 14th 2018 at 12:24:37 PM

After all the crazy stuff which already happened, I kind of expect the characters to mostly roll with it. This isn't anymore like Ao S season 1, in which there were discussions if Clairvoyant people exist. By now the characters just take whatever is thrown at them at stride. I kind of expect the Avengers to do the same.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88384: Aug 14th 2018 at 12:26:51 PM

Like Cappy with Rocket & Groot.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88385: Aug 14th 2018 at 4:02:31 PM

In the existence of a world where magic demonstrably exists, denying the existence of magic is unscientific.

Blurring One just might from one hill away to the regular Bigfoot jungle. Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
One just might
#88386: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:03:05 PM

@ Discar

I think they are really surprised that Nidavellir exists. Rocket is excited to go there after he knew it existed.

Tony Stark regards magic as science he has yet to understand, at least that is what I thought about him.

Edited by Blurring on Aug 14th 2018 at 10:27:41 PM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#88387: Aug 14th 2018 at 7:15:49 PM

I have to imagine that most aliens just assume Asgardians are another race of aliens and don't think of them as supernatural gods like humans do. I think in Ragnarok Valkyrie in mentions that it's possible to fly to Asgard from Xanadar.

Also the joke that had me going the best was the one about Marvel clearly not anticipating how much of a hit Black Panther was gonna be. Just given how Infinity War handles the characters involved, BP and Ragnarok seem like the movies whose popularity Marvel really did not see coming.

Edited by comicwriter on Aug 14th 2018 at 7:18:29 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#88388: Aug 14th 2018 at 9:18:48 PM

The Russos explain the cast of Infinity War.

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#88389: Aug 15th 2018 at 3:17:19 AM

So Bullseye is going to be a villain in Daredevil season 3, right? I just realized that I want him and his power to be introduced by him going through a day in his everyday life like he's in a Dude Perfect Trick Shot video. Like, he walks in and throws his jacket across the room, landing perfectly on the coat rack. He takes out the trash by throwing the bags out of his door, where they land perfectly in the trash bin across the street. He kills someone by throwing a knife into their chest, then he takes the knife and throws it back into the knife block.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 15th 2018 at 3:17:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88390: Aug 15th 2018 at 3:22:16 AM

Really?

Well alright I was really waiting for Bullseye to come on board since season 1.

Should be fun to see how they handle his power & outfit.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 15th 2018 at 3:24:16 AM

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#88391: Aug 15th 2018 at 6:25:15 AM

I don't think the decimation of Xandar actually undoes Quill's development.

If a person dying at a later date from something else entirely invalidated the act of saving their life, then what would be the point of saving lives? It's not like any life can permanently stay saved. That's not how mortality works.

The half of the planet that survived Thanos wouldn't be alive today if the Guardians hadn't defeated Ronan. The half that did not wouldn't have been alive yesterday without them. In either case, there is a net good that's been accomplished and cannot be revoked.

You can rob a person of their future, but you cannot take away their past. You can prevent them from living any more life going forward, but you cannot undo the life they have lived to this point.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 15th 2018 at 7:28:18 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88392: Aug 15th 2018 at 8:25:30 AM

That's double true because it's an ongoing conflict. In a war, you might one day lose the foothold you worked so hard to secure today, but that doesn't mean all your work in capturing it in the first place was wasted.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88393: Aug 15th 2018 at 8:32:34 AM

Plus, it is not like he rescued Xandar yesterday. In five years there are a lot of children which are born.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88394: Aug 15th 2018 at 8:36:47 AM

Also, I wouldn't necessarily say he shrugged it off. That look of complete horror when he finds out what happened is one of my favorite reactions in the film.

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#88395: Aug 15th 2018 at 12:15:54 PM

[up][up], [up] Indeed.

Everyone has an expiration date. That's just life. We are all, each and every one of us, going to die.

Saving a life is not a gift of permanency. It's a gift of time.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88396: Aug 15th 2018 at 12:38:00 PM

...that’s a lovely way of putting it.

Edited by wisewillow on Aug 15th 2018 at 3:44:06 PM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#88397: Aug 15th 2018 at 3:01:20 PM

Not only that, but the decision to fight and rescue Xandar is Quill's character development. Even if he failed to do so, the fact him and the other Guardians made the decision to do something heroic is why the universe is a better place. This factors into the sequel and all other good things they have done since.

This is different from the criticism of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, where it seemed like they systematically undid all the goals and efforts of the main characters and left them as accomplishing nothing of value in the long run and back to square one. Granted, for GOTG it might have been worse had we not gotten a sequel in between, showing that time has passed and they stuck with their development from the first film.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#88399: Aug 15th 2018 at 3:54:53 PM

While I am a bit annoyed at how Xandar’s offscreen destruction was just kinda brushed off (and how it apparently happened astoundingly quickly and with few hearing about it and without any Infinity Stones at all), I get that it’s a concession of the story to have to cut it out for time for more plot relevant scenes. So it can slid.

But it does have kind of the effect to me of making the subsequent battles at New York and Wakanda feel diminished in tension, since Xandar’s fleet would be multiple times more powerful than any of Earth’s defenses and yet Thanos just plowed through it all without any Infinity Stones or significant losses.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#88400: Aug 15th 2018 at 3:58:59 PM

Maybe his army was in a state to be beaten by Wakanda because they blew through their reserves fighting Xandar

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