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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
“How ‘Avengers: Infinity War’ Has Helped Me Deal With Grief”
Damn....those are words to live by.
"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher" Uh Black Panther isn’t an origin movie. "
It kinda is since it follow a lot of beat of a typical origing story: it present us the world of the superhero(in this case is more literal with wakanda existing just for black panther rather than him existin in new work or another city), it establish fairly well what he can do, a iconic suit and even he fight with a villian who is like him but also oposite(kill monger).
But in general, Marvel tend to the whole "serious moment and tend joke to undercut it" and is only now that is steping back a little...and even I dont know much that really is.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
It is not an origin movie.
None of those points you even listed are what makes an origin movie.
An origin movie is a movie that shows the beginnings of said character, how they started, what made them go on their path, how they trained, their first suit up.
Batman Begins is an origin movie, we see the beginning of Batman, how he started, what drove him on his path, how he trained, & his first suit up.
Spider-Man: Homecoming is not an origin movie, Spider-Man 1 or the Amazing Spider-Man is an origin movie.
Black Panther is a movie that starts in the middle of the heroes career where he is already a veteran warrior & everyone around him has worked alongside him for a long time.
Also that tidbit about Marvel's brand of humor has nothing to do with whats an origin movie.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 9th 2018 at 5:14:42 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I said it knida is. Black panther does touch the esencial story part of a movie even if they lack the basic "hero is a rookie" part of the chararter, T`challa.
And I will said it does have a impact of sort since the movie want to charm the audience with the chararter so it up the humor and underscore the seriousness.
Granted, I feel a lot of that also have to do with the director, joss wheadon leave the impresion of marvel humor being "snark,puns and being silly" while the russo are more serious about it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"That seems a bit narrow, and it's not like "origin story" is a dirty word or anything. T'Challa is just a character with one of the more involved, lengthier, multi-stage superhero origins. Yes, he was already a king and already had his powers, but this is how he became a global superhero, about how Wakanda stepped onto the world stage. It's like the difference between Bruce Wayne punching out thugs and the moment when he dons cape and cowl for the first time. Black Panther's biggest superpower is that Wakanda is a national superpower, and that isn't true at the beginning of the movie.
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In a sense, Thor is indeed an origin movie. While Thor got his powers and was experienced in battle long before the start of the movie, as far as we know that was all off on fantasy space worlds rather than on Earth. Depending on how you define "superhero", Thor might not count as one until he starts using his powers to battle evil on our world, where his powers are something . . . well, super, as opposed to the various Norse Mythology inspired worlds, where Thor's powers are just a stronger version of the magic everyone is using.
I can kind of see Black Panther as an Origin Movie. Where T'Challa gets his power and equipment is a major element of the overall story, establishing him as a Legacy Character and making the choice to defy tradition and make a grand public entrance. In contrast, the first Blade and '89 Batman movie brings up their origin but it's overall a very minor part of the story, which almost comes across as a Slice of Life "this is just what they do now."
So while watching Captain America: Civil War again, a point was brought up to me.
When Black Widow is fighting Bucky, he briefly pins her down and starts choking her.
She then gives this quote:
Nothing much to say on this one right? Because they met previously in Captain America: The Winter Soldier (not just during the events of the movie, but previously as well due to the story she gives about him shooting through her to get at a target....
...only in both that movie, and the story Natasha gives, she never really interacts with him directly. Civil War is the first time the two of them meet face to face.
So why does she give this line?
Well, Natasha has a lot of Skeletons in her closet...and when you think about it, while her meeting the Winter Soldier previously is probably true, we can be sure that the story she gives is all there is to it.
Simply put, they knew each other before hand. Both of them were part of Russian programs (well Bucky's was Hydra, but it took place in Russia), and in the comics, they did apparently have a history.
With talk of a potential Black Widow movie in the works, it's not out of the question that maybe we'll hear more on this front...or it's just a dumb idea. Who knows?
One Strip! One Strip!In the comics, Black Widow does have a history with the Winter Soldier, having worked with him during their mutual time as Soviet assassins - 616 Winter Soldier served the Soviets during the Cold War, not Hydra. That's why his metal arm has a big red star on it. Because branding is important for... secret assassins... I guess....
IIRC, they even engaged in horizontal sparring from time to time.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 12th 2018 at 7:38:09 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah. I suspected they had sex.
So it sounds like there might be something to this theory then?
One Strip! One Strip!In the comics she's also a lot older (though he is older still). IIRC - though I could be wrong - they even trained each other, to an extent.
I think in the films she's referring to the story she told in Winter Soldier, where they had an extended confrontation that ended with him shooting her in the gut. It was a very important incident for her, so they're sort of invoking But for Me, It Was Tuesday (because at the time she said it, the belief from everyone but Steve was that he never reformed), though of course in Bucky's case his memory is a shaky thing.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 12th 2018 at 7:14:50 AM

That scenario can happen but can be one where everything it's settled nice and easy.
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Edited by Luigisan98 on Aug 9th 2018 at 12:41:13 PM
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