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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#88276: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:18:35 AM

Omega Underground tends to have well-sourced info, so it's 99% likely to be true.

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#88277: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:21:17 AM

There's a follow-up tweet that literally says not to jump to conclusions until it's confirmed, so that's what I'm gonna do.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#88278: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:24:57 AM

If there was no credence to the rumor why would they report it in the first place?

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#88279: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:28:52 AM

There's a difference between something having credence and it being absolutely confirmed.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#88280: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:30:28 AM

Because that’s literally how reporting works? You don’t only post rumors if they’re 99.9% likely. You hear an interesting rumor, you share it.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#88281: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:31:18 AM

Mario...calm down, please.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#88282: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:32:01 AM

[up]Tell that to Batista.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#88283: Aug 8th 2018 at 6:35:10 AM

[up] Batista has his reasons. But yours is way too much.

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#88284: Aug 8th 2018 at 7:27:25 AM

Yeah, as noted, it's just a rumor. You can commence panicking when it's a confirmed fact. People share rumors all the time.

In fact, there's a clear grapevine-development path between "Bautista says that he'll quit if they toss out the Guardians 3 script" and then, like the very next day, "SOMEONE SOMEWHERE SAID THAT MAYBE THEY MIGHT TOSS OUT THE GUARDIANS 3 SCRIPT POSSIBLY!!!"

Yeah. Bautista said it. By threatening to quit if they do.

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#88285: Aug 8th 2018 at 8:18:26 AM

Reminder that there’s a Guardians ride planned for EPCOT in a few years. Meaning Disney has plenty of reason to not want to dump the franchise. In fact, Guardians is one of the few properties they can actually build Disney World rides on because they’re not covered by the Universal Studios agreement:

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 8th 2018 at 8:18:15 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88286: Aug 8th 2018 at 8:18:48 AM

I mean, they should toss out the script. No director worth their salt is going to do their best work on a script designed by and for a different director.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#88287: Aug 8th 2018 at 8:49:14 AM

And lose a major asset to their team?

Just Makima.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88288: Aug 8th 2018 at 9:07:52 AM

That is an interesting point though.

Most directors want to do their own thing, and would likely feel constrained by having to work within the boundaries of someone else's work.

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#88289: Aug 8th 2018 at 9:51:20 AM

I mean, they should toss out the script. No director worth their salt is going to do their best work on a script designed by and for a different director.

Uh.

Yes. Yes, they will.

Directors do not usually write their own scripts. Scripts are typically written by scriptwriters and then given to directors. Directors directing a film based on a script that was written by a person who is not the director is standard operating procedure in Hollywood.

The director's job is to control how that story presented in their script is told. Gunn writing his own script was an evolution of his role into obtaining more creative control than his narrow role of director typically holds. Similar to when actors in a film will direct certain scenes. But "write your own script" is not a standard aspect of the directorial job experience.

As long as they give Gunn a writing credit, there's literally no reason why they can't use his script.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2018 at 10:53:00 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88290: Aug 8th 2018 at 10:27:57 AM

Exactly...granted, the best directors take considerable influence on the script, but most of them do hire professional writers. Ie Hitchcock's scripts came from his wife (who used to be his boss), though he usually picked the themes. That Whedon and Gunn write their own scripts is the exception, not the rule. Spielberg takes considerable influence on the scripts of his movies, but I think Close Encounters of the Third kind is the only script he actually wrote himself.

(Thus said, I do think that you need a sense for story telling and narratives to be a good director, but writing a script is a lot of extra work of the kind you better delegate to someone else).

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 8th 2018 at 10:28:28 AM

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88291: Aug 8th 2018 at 11:23:11 AM

Now I'm starting to see rumors that they aren't gonna throw out the script.

Honestly, every rumor that could be said about this has been said. We're at the point where all that can be done is wait and see what Disney has to say about the third GotG film.

Edited by HarpieSiren on Aug 8th 2018 at 11:25:04 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88292: Aug 8th 2018 at 11:32:55 AM

Frankly, I don't really care...I trust that Disney will manage the situation one way or another.

I am mostly wondering when we will get to see the Captain Marvel trailer...maybe they wait because they don't want to distract from Ant-man and Iron Fist?

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 8th 2018 at 11:35:15 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88293: Aug 8th 2018 at 11:41:55 AM

Oh yes I know directors normally don't have hands in the script, but because the existing script was written with a director in mind it should at least see a minor re-write, minimum.

It's because Gunn writing his own script is unusual that I feel reworking the script would be the smart play.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88294: Aug 8th 2018 at 11:44:23 AM

[up] It's a first draft. It will need a rewrite no matter what.

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#88295: Aug 8th 2018 at 11:54:15 AM

Quite. Sometimes that happens. We see it with actors all the time. A role will be written for a specific actor. Say, a character might be written to be Jim Carrey. He's written as a character, but specifically as a character who will be played by Carrey. All of Carrey's mannerisms and stuff are worked into the script, because it's a script for him.

But then Carrey drops out of the project. The character gets recast as Will Smith.

Since the character was written to basically be Jim Carrey, now you have to do some rewriting. Will Smith doesn't have Carrey's brand of comedy. He's a completely different actor, so while you keep the heart of the character the same, the fine details of how the jokes work need to be revised.

Other times, you wind up striking gold with a casting you never anticipated. A character written to be a generic comedic protagonist gets cast as Jim Carrey, and now you need to go back to the script and be like, "Does this script play to Carrey's strengths? What can we do with this to make it fit the actor better?"

Scripts are constantly being revised and updated on the go to suit the needs of the production cast.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2018 at 12:56:14 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88296: Aug 8th 2018 at 12:25:02 PM

Not to mention that a LOT changes just by playing through the scenes alone. I mean the second most popular meme which came out of Infinity War was just Dave Batista joking around, the best scene Tom Holland had was entirely improvised, and RDJ is rambling through his scenes in the MCU anyway. I wonder how much script he actually gets and how often they just tell him: This and this has to be in it, fill the blanks otherwise.

Movies are a group project. A LOT of people have a say in the final product, the director just has the final say.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#88297: Aug 8th 2018 at 1:48:04 PM

Here's the article getting attention right now, and brother does it make Disney look even worse (it hints that he may get to come back at some capacity, even after they announced they were cutting all ties with him).

Interesting tidbit: Warner Bros. is apparently interested in Gunn's talent at the moment, and given the meltdown with the DCEU right now, I can tell you WB needs Gunn a lot more than Disney needs him.

Edited by Mario1995 on Aug 8th 2018 at 4:48:22 AM

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#88298: Aug 8th 2018 at 2:51:00 PM

That article just reaffirms what we already knew.

  • Gunn was fired.
  • Nobody is calling for his career to be ended or for him to be blacklisted from Hollywood.
  • Disney is probably going to use his script.

I don't see anything in there that "makes Disney look worse". Or even anything that tells us something new. Are you just trying to keep the outrage ball rolling?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2018 at 3:51:38 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#88299: Aug 8th 2018 at 2:52:45 PM

I suggest taking a break from this topic until something substantial happens. Rumor searching will only get you so far.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88300: Aug 8th 2018 at 3:00:52 PM

[up][up] Not really. As the article rightly points out, Disney is always hold to a higher standard than other studios. It's the price for them having an actual brand and shaping it around a family friendly image.

I mean there is a reason why both Warner and Universal could be scooped up by giant companies with nobody batting an eye but as soon as Disney dares to buy Lucasfilm or Fox, there is immediately a huge controversy going on. This idea that Disney is owning our childhood has developed from being an interesting observation to some sort of conspiration theory which lead to a lot of people seeing Disney as the enemy by default. At the very least they enjoy it whenever it gets taken down a peg, but in the mind of some Disney is the most powerful studio out there (it really is not) and therefore dangerous.

So Disney gets it from the people who HATE the image, and it gets it from the people who buy into that image and go ballistic whenever they feel that Disney is not honouring its obligation.

Don't get me wrong here, Disney makes a lot of money out of its brand, but sometimes it is a burden, too.

[up] I agree. So for Got G Vol 3 doesn't even have a definitive release date.

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 8th 2018 at 3:01:03 AM


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