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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#88226: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:06:18 PM

Seems D Roy's point was missed a bit.

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#88227: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:10:37 PM

Well, I was answering Rob. But I do think saying that only people who have previously handled big-budget franchises need apply is narrowing the field in a way that doesn't really make sense— Lucas, Peter Jackson, Kevin Feige, they all had to get their start somewhere. And Rian Johnson didn't just appear out of nowhere, he'd made some great movies.

Edited by Unsung on Aug 6th 2018 at 9:24:17 AM

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#88228: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:13:19 PM

I also don't consider it especially important. What matters more is whether their sensibilities match the those of the movie they're selected to do.

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#88229: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:14:12 PM

MCU had a lot of directors who didn't direct big-budgeted films before the franchise and ended up doing great.

But if directors already directed big-budget films, when judging how fit they are directing another such film, the outcome from that one should be the main factor.

Of course, who knows. Maybe Rian Johnson might be the next James Mangold.

Edited by dRoy on Aug 7th 2018 at 12:18:13 AM

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#88230: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:16:05 PM

Quality of The Last Jedi aside, I think it's silly to assume he'd tackle, say, Guardians in the same way that he did Star Wars.

Or do we seriously think that Johnson is a cackling madman who eagerly seeks to destroy all of our childhood dreams?

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#88231: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:16:26 PM

*shrugs* TLJ has a vocal hatedom, but its box office returns were excellent and many people and most critics liked it. I still think it was great, myself. I'd have no qualms about seeing what he could do with a Marvel movie — that's not the same as saying he'd take over the whole MCU outright anyway.

Edited by Unsung on Aug 6th 2018 at 9:24:57 AM

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#88232: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:22:50 PM

I think The Last Jedi was fantastic, and I would have no problem with Johnson tackling an MCU film. Maybe not Guardians, however, The Last Jedi was too serious and philosophical for that franchise. It had a few strong laughs, but I don't know if he can carry an action-comedy like Guardians is.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#88233: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:24:34 PM

The prank call scene at the beginning is totally something that would happen in GOTG.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#88234: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:25:33 PM

Quality of The Last Jedi aside, I think it's silly to assume he'd tackle, say, Guardians in the same way that he did Star Wars.

Or do we seriously think that Johnson is a cackling madman who eagerly seeks to destroy all of our childhood dreams?

No indication that he won't either.

Also, nobody accused him of that. Certainly not me.

TLJ has a vocal hatedom, but its box office returns were great and many people liked it a lot. I still think it was great, myself. I'd have no qualms about seeing what he could do with a Marvel movie — that's not the same as saying he'd take over the whole MCU outright anyway.

If it was a stand-alone film, it would be considered really great. But compared to its predecessor, its box office return was almost halved. Also, although it's far from being the only reason, the Star Wars film that came right after that became the first ever entry to actually be a box office bomb.

Of course he's not going to take over the whole MCU, it's not like he's going to be the head of MCU or anything. But MCU is a franchise that heavily relies on cohesion among between all the entries. Extremely divisive reaction like one seen in The Last Jedi can really hurt a franchise like MCU.

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#88235: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:25:34 PM

I mean does he have a habit of doing serious philosophical I guess films?

It could just be a one-off thing.

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#88236: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:28:48 PM

Odd, one of the more common complaints I'd heard was that TLJ didn't take itself seriously enough for some people's liking.

Looper is fairly grim. Brick is so over-the-top serious that it wraps around to being a parody, as a film noir set at a high school with dialogue out of a Raymond Chandler novel.

With Solo I think the issue has a lot to do with flooding the market. Going up against Infinity War was always going to be a bad, bad idea. I liked Rogue One, too, but I do think the predictability and nostalgia value can only take Star Wars so far, and that the event-based marketing of bringing Star Wars back after all this time had a lot to do with TFA's huge success. Scheduled too tightly, people take them for granted.

Edited by Unsung on Aug 6th 2018 at 9:43:59 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#88237: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:30:35 PM

I just feel like the stuff that happened in TLJ was very circumstantial & is unlikely to happen in other films even a little.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#88238: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:32:22 PM

To sum my thoughts on Rian Johnson as a possible director for GOTG 3 or other MCU film:

I am not in favor of such prospect due to how he handled the direction of the Sequel Trilogy, and I believe that kind of approach will be harmful for any MCU sub-franchises.

However, we have cases like James Mangold who directed a polarizing entry of a big series, only to return with almost universally acclaimed entry of the same series.

Lastly, if Kevin Feige decides that Johnson would make a good MCU director, I'm not going to question that, although I'd still have some bit of doubt.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88239: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:37:31 PM

One of the primary problems with the sequel trilogy is a lack of rigid overall control keeping the contributions of the directors involved straightforward and/or fully realized as an overall story, which likely wouldn't be a problem at all with the MCU because that universe has Feige in charge.

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#88240: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:52:57 PM

I’d rather have Taika Waititi. He’s a brilliant guy with the right zany, emotionally deep comedy chops to handle Guardians. Or someone else not super prominent.

Definitely, absolutely not Rian Johnson. And not because of TLJ, but because I prefer that a couple big directors not dominate everything.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#88241: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:54:02 PM

Well, technically Taika Waititi is now amoung the big directors as well. [lol]

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#88242: Aug 6th 2018 at 8:55:05 PM

Writing and related pacing issues aside, I thought TLJ was rather well directed for the most part. Gorgeous shots and set pieces, fantastic performances from the main cast, goddamn sexy action (the Throne room fight had me harder than a fucking diamond, so to speak).

So with Feige supervising and reigning in as needed, I would not be inherently unopposed to Johnson having his hand at an MCU film.

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#88243: Aug 6th 2018 at 9:14:04 PM

Johnson wouldn't be my first choice for Guardians and he's got a full plate anyway. But I don't think he'd a bad pick either.

I would like to see Taika Waititi do more, definitely. Ragnarok had fantastic visuals, and I liked the character beats we got for all the returning cast members (bar the Warriors Three), while still having room for Valkyrie to be more than a bit part.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#88244: Aug 6th 2018 at 9:15:14 PM

When there's no alternative, there're always the Russo Brothers. [lol]

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#88245: Aug 6th 2018 at 9:28:53 PM

The prank call scene at the beginning is totally something that would happen in GOTG.

Let's not forget The Force Awakens's first scene also featured Poe openly riffing on the bad guys' ridiculous looks.

Though I liked TLJ and Looper, I wouldn't want Johnson for Guardians 3. Ragnarok is much closer to the overall off-kilter world and characters that the Guardians setting entails.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 6th 2018 at 9:28:53 AM

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#88246: Aug 6th 2018 at 9:40:04 PM

I adore Thor Ragnarok, but I'm gonna be honest, I'm not sure I'm a fan of the idea of Taika Waititi directing GOTG3, since I feel like the comparisons between those films are mostly superficial in the long run.

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#88247: Aug 7th 2018 at 12:51:41 AM

Well, technically Taika Waititi is now amoung the big directors as well.

Apparently, directing one big film qualifies you as a big director. I don't think the term "big director" applies unless you've directed several huge films that made a ton of money.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88248: Aug 7th 2018 at 12:54:16 AM

I don't want Waititi either, not for this project. The trilogy needs to get finished by someone ready to commit to James Gunn's vision. Perhaps even someone James Gunn himself suggests.

And, btw, I don't think that Disney had any intention to throw out his script in the first place...and shouldn't Nicole Perlman have time for it now? Captain Marvel is done, right?

Regarding the whole "weaponizing old Tweets" thing...there are some people now howling about "freedom of speech" but as James Gunn himself pointed out, freedom of speech doesn't mean that what you say doesn't have consequences, it just means that the state can't punish you for it. The internet shouldn't be a law free zone, nor should it be a place where your conduct doesn't matter. We have developed this mind-set that what happens on the internet is somehow different from what we do in real life. It is not. Firing off those tweets was basically like standing in the middle of a crowded room full of people of all ages joking about having sex with little boys.

As a thumb rule, you should never do anything on the internet you wouldn't feel comfortable to do in real life.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#88249: Aug 7th 2018 at 5:04:56 AM

Out of curiosity, why not Taika Waititi?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88250: Aug 7th 2018 at 6:13:55 AM

[up] Because he has his own style which would give the movie a very different feel plus, I don't trust him to commit to the vision of another director. Hell, he wasn't even able to committ to the title of a movie.


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