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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#88151: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:26:37 PM

I really don't think it has anything to do with id or wanting out.

The Hulk in Ragnarok was the happiest we've ever seen him. He loved being the Grandmaster's Champion. To an amoral avatar of violence, do you know what the difference between smashing for the Avengers and smashing for the Grandmaster is? The Grandmaster gives him stuff. On Sakaar, he has a luxury suite and a hot girlfriend.

Thor and Banner stole that from him. Straight up stole it. Thor got him to revert to Banner and then Banner left. Hulk never even got a vote, and he'd made very clear that he had no interest or desire in ever leaving.

They forced him to leave a place where he was worshipped and beloved so that he could go get beat up by Thanos for someone else's fight. The Avengers aren't paying him in luxury suites and hot girlfriends. They're just using him to fight their enemies and then shoving him back in the bottle when they're done with him.

He was already fed up with them when he stole a Quinjet and ragequit the team before, and now he's gotten a taste of freedom. A taste that was stolen from him by the people he was fed up with, who are now telling him he needs to go smash their enemies for free. So. Y'know. F*ck those guys.

The Hulk has run out of reasons to care about fighting other people's battles. He was done with this bullshit a long time ago and now he's sticking to it. He doesn't care about the greater good. He doesn't care about threats to Earth. And these people are not his friends.

Hulk want luxury suite and the adoration of millions of screaming fans.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 3rd 2018 at 2:29:11 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88152: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:30:01 PM

I'd just like to point out I have no idea what you're talking about with your recurring mentions of Hulk having "a hot girlfriend". We see no such thing in Ragnarok.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#88153: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:38:59 PM

Was wondering that too, unless it's a reference to how Hulk might see Valkyrie.

As far as Ragnorak goes though, I interpreted the Hulk in that movie as having developed into a person to the point that he could interact with others and make moral choices, but was limited because he needed Banner to process sorrow and more complex emotions- and knew it, as much as he hated to admit it. Just like Banner has the greater intelligence, both intelligence and in IQ, but obviously lacks Hulk's strength and everything that goes with it. Hence that discussion/joke about Thor telling both of them he prefers them to the other.

The problem both have is that the Hulk is more complex basically because he's tapping some of Bruce's personality (which is why the Hulk's voice is now Mark Ruffalo), so it's the worst of both worlds for both of them, even though it's basically the best it's ever been for the Hulk.

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88154: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:39:25 PM

Valkyrie isn't Hulk's girlfriend, though I guess you could make a case for him having a crush on her or something, especially in light of Banner babbling on about how beautiful she is while still dazed and recovering from being the Hulk for two years.

But otherwise, it's mostly spot on. If Banner were to just forsake control and let Hulk do whatever he wanted, Hulk would be all over that, but that's not what's happening. Hulk is being stubborn and trying to spite Banner.

The narrative is pretty clear that Banner and Hulk need to be on the same page and reach some sort of compromise.

[up] There's been a lot of talk behind the scenes about how the line between the two personas is blurring and stuff like that.

Edited by HarpieSiren on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:41:13 AM

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#88155: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:43:25 PM

Yeah, I could believe Hulk having a crush on Valkyrie, but there's no way Valkyrie reciprocated. She was just his personal trainer and sparring buddy.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88156: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:44:51 PM

Valkyrie is like the Hulk's cool big sis.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#88157: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:47:29 PM

> There's been a lot of talk behind the scenes about how the line between the two personas is blurring and stuff like that.

It's really confusing,is Hulk Bruce's anger (as in one persona two forms) or is 'Hulk' separate entity that happens to share Bruce's mind

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 3rd 2018 at 8:47:38 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88158: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:51:43 PM

We don’t know anything about their relationship one way or another: not enough to say they were involved, but admittedly not enough to shut down speculation about it either.

She’s canonically bi, so there definitely could have been something there, but there also may not have.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:52:22 AM

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#88159: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:52:35 PM

[up][up]I think that's a question that Avengers 4 will answer when they finally make up and merge into one consciousness.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:52:25 AM

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88160: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:54:29 PM

Generally, the Hulk is a sort of (comic book flavored) split personality, the feelings Banner represses given a mind of their own.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88161: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:55:08 PM

Yeah, I really think Infinity War is leading into Merged Hulk / The Professor.

Which is great, because imo that’s the best way to keep he character interesting going forward.

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#88162: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:55:25 PM

Sometimes Hulk and Banner mirror reactions and priorities, such Hulk calming down around Widow in AOU or deleted scenes from Ragnarok that had Bruce repeating some of Hulk’s statements. But Infinity War goes much further with the “split personality” treatment.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:57:48 AM

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88163: Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:59:46 PM

Yeah, I think the Merged Hulk is the most obvious resolution to his character arc. Which is awesome, cause I love when Hulk gets to be smart!

I just hope the resolution is handled in a satisfying way.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#88164: Aug 3rd 2018 at 3:31:22 PM

Something I've wondered about is that if Bruce were to 'let go' of his anger and find inner peace,he'd have no reason for Hulk to exist,but without the Hulk would he still die from his exposure to the Gamma radiation that created the Hulk in the first place?Like I figured his rage at dying and his repressed rage spawned the Hulk personality in the first place

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HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88165: Aug 3rd 2018 at 6:59:19 PM

Probably not. He'd still have the ability to turn into giant green punch man, but it'd be a controlable superpower. Accepting the anger and rage is kind of a part of becoming Merged Hulk

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#88166: Aug 3rd 2018 at 7:17:47 PM

I'd be more excited about that possibility if they hadn't teased it way back in Avengers 1 with "that's my secret, I'm always angry" and then done exactly squat with it since.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88167: Aug 4th 2018 at 12:29:52 PM

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2455107/why-selma-blair-continues-to-defend-guardians-of-the-galaxys-james-gunn

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#88168: Aug 4th 2018 at 5:33:32 PM

Black Panther will be the third film to cross $700 million at the US box office[1]

VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#88169: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:46:02 AM

A bit tangential, but I'll cross-post this: What would happen if the characters of RWBY had the Infinity Gauntlet...

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#88170: Aug 5th 2018 at 11:42:54 AM

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#88171: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:05:02 PM

Dave Bautista hinting he may not return for future Guardians movies after Vol. 3.

If that's the case, Disney can kiss Guardians of the Galaxy goodbye because Guardians simply cannot work without Drax, and it's doubtful anyone can, or want to, fill Bautista's shoes.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88172: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:19:20 PM

Gunn can't come back.

He can't. It sucks that it happened, and it sucks why it happened (some asshole alt right people), but he can't come back.

There's no winning for Disney here. I feel like this is what the guy who exposed Gunn wanted in the first place. He wins no matter what. The best they can do is be more careful so that a guy like that never has a clear path for shit like this again, but he's essentially sitting in his swivel chair, petting his Right-Hand Cat and going Excellent!

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#88173: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:22:28 PM

I can see the Guardians working without Drax so long as they give him a proper send-off. It's when more than one or two people leave that I would start to say the team won't work.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88174: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:24:02 PM

Well, Dave is the only one threatening to leave so far, but we can't be sure if it won't escalate.

Guardians may have to end with Volume 3 to be honest. If they'd already planned for that, then ok, but if not...

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#88175: Aug 5th 2018 at 6:33:07 PM

There's a good send off for Drax

You just need to reveal that his daughter somehow is alive and she invites him to her wedding

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