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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Doesn't Disney have another distribution company they use for stuff that doesn't fit the Disney image?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTouchstone has been practically defunct for a few years now, and it hasn't the same draw Fox has, being a traditional studio.
Naturally Disney has its off-colour moment, but the question was if they held themselves to a higher standard than anyone else back then and the answer is: Yes, they did. It was only the difference between having an off-colour moment once in a while and being rampart racist, complete with watermelons and gambling stereotypes, but it was a higher standard, in that Disney did not think that Bugs Bunny giving out bombs disguised as popsicles to Japanese caricatures while uttering racist slurs was in any way funny. Even their war cartoons were more about education and actually understanding the mechanism behind the Third Reich than blatant hatred.
Naturally this higher standard is from todays perspective a lower standard. But Disney always strived to maintain a certain image. It is practically baked into the company. The brand is more important than anything else.
I mean, this is why Touchstone exists in the first place, isn't it? To protect the brand.
Only for Co-productions. It hasn't released an own production since 2010, and the last time it released something which can be considered a Disney Product instead of some Dreamworks/Fox/whoever production was when they did Strange Magic...and that was most likely mostly because it was George Lucas Pet Project. Otherwise it is a long list of "distribution only".
Edited by Swanpride on Aug 2nd 2018 at 9:24:56 AM
For anyone worried about what's going to happen to FOX once Disney owns them, I refer you to the panic that happened over what was going to happen to Marvel now that Disney owns them.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:40:46 AM
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I mean, if you want to look at something that was truly Disney-esque that was put out by Fox recently, look at The Greatest Showman, which even then isn't that squeaky-clean, just barely touching on race/race riots, smoking, drinking, marital strife, and assumed adultery.
Whut? Disney didn't purchase Fox so that they can get more Disney style movies. They purchased Fox because what Fox does and what Disney does is covering totally different genres. Disney is known for their animated movies. Fox animation studios only made a handful of films and while they have purchased Bluesky at one point, none of those movies come even close to Disney's and Pixar's success. Disney is known for its family friendly entertainment, Fox has quite a number of horror franchises in its library. Disney, for all the prices it has won, has in all this years never won a best picture Academy award (though, personally, I think Mary Poppins should have won over My fair Lady), while Fox, especially Fox Searchlight, can brag about a long list of wins.
The only area in which Disney and Fox seriously overlap is that they both have made movies based on Marvel properties. But personally I am in the "I want Marvel to have their I Ps back", boat. Fox run on the X-men has been extremely hit and miss (actually, more miss than hit...Sony has a better success rate than they have), and if I never see a Fantastic 4 movie made by Fox again it would still be too soon.
That feels like a Voodoo Shark.
It's also a Mass Effect meme. Mass Effect 2 talked a lot about the spread of Dark Energy influencing the galaxy with potentially apocalyptic consequences. Like, stars are dying faster because of it. At the same time, a black character, Jacob, was introduced as a love interest. So the gaming community started joking that Dark Energy was the name for his mojo.
I think that was for the best. In my opinion, never seeing the siege of Xandar makes it more disturbing.
You know, that actually makes me feel better about this particular subplot. It gels with the Hulk that we saw in Ragnarok, who just wanted to stay on Sakaar and be the Champion with his hot girlfriend and luxurious suite.
Banner never wanted the Hulk to be a weapon. The Hulk is fine with being a weapon, but is tired of being used to fight other people's battles and getting nothing out of it for himself. I buy that.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That might have worked if they gave Hulk the characterization to support it. Originally he was just "is angry". By Ragnarok he seemed to have branched out to more "pure id" in general. He did what he wanted, whenever he wanted, and punched anything that tried to deny him what he wanted. As long as you satisfied his (rather simple) desires, he didn't care about anything else.
So suggesting that now he has some sort of moral objection to being taken advantage of seems like a bridge too far. He's always wanted to come out so he could be in control. The fact that the Hulk wants to be unleashed is one of the most basic things about him. That he doesn't want to be "out" in Infinity War is a dramatic shift in the character, and "he doesn't like being forced to do Banner's dirty work" doesn't mesh with any of his previous characterization.
"He's afraid" is about the only explanation that does fit, because fear is also a pure id thing. Even if it's irrational, like it is in Infinity War. Does Hulk think that hiding behind Banner is going to protect him somehow? If Banner dies because the Hulk wouldn't come out, does the Hulk think he'll survive? The answer is: he hasn't thought that far ahead. It's scary, so Hulk doesn't want to go. That's all there is to it.
Edited by NativeJovian on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:12:28 PM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I don't think Hulk was pure id in Ragnarok.
There's an interesting moment where he has to choose to side with his friend or with his thousands of cheering fans and he does decide to kick Thor's face in but the fact that he even hesitated suggests more complexity.
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What about Ragnarok? He'd developed quite a bit in that, spent quite a while keeping control away from Bruce, wasn't at all eager to go back to the way things were — with Banner or with the Avengers. Because they do keep him around just to do their dirty work, and keep him in the cage that is Bruce Banner's self-control the rest of the time.
Edited by Unsung on Aug 3rd 2018 at 11:17:22 AM
"Pure id" doesn't mean he can't be conflicted. Thor is his friend — they've smashed things together before! — so he doesn't want to fight his friend. But the crowd wants him to fight, and he wants the crowd to keep loving him. "no want smash friend" and "no want crowd to stop loving me" are both pretty basic id-level motivations.
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If Hulk hates being caged up inside Banner's psyche, then refusing to come out doesn't make sense. In that case, he should be coming out every chance he gets and then refusing to "go back in" — which is his usual MO. Infinity War is unique in that he refuses to come out at all.
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Yeah, I read it as Hulk is basically a child. Usually he's angry, so he reacts by lashing out (ie, smashing). This time he's afraid, so he reacts like a child does — by hiding.
Eh, that's still more complex line of thought than we've ever seen from MCU Hulk, even in Ragnarok. Desire is: want out. Situation is: being offered the chance to come out. Reaction is: refuses to come out? I don't think we've ever seen Hulk do any sort of forward thinking like that.
Edited by NativeJovian on Aug 3rd 2018 at 1:40:01 PM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Actually, they don't even come up in Marvel and Star Wars films, so it's pointless anyway.
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