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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#88101: Aug 1st 2018 at 8:27:07 AM

Rocket's just sort of there, without any hint of the vulnerability he had in the first movie (where, despite all his complaints, he was attached to the group because he really, really didn't want to be left alone).

Did you miss the whole big conversation he had with Yondu? I disagree with most of your assessment, but that's the biggest. Rocket is a textbook Sad Clown; he covers his many issues by being a funny asshole. Except every once in a while the mask slips and we see his loneliness and self-loathing.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#88102: Aug 1st 2018 at 8:40:55 AM

Most of Rocket's time with Yondu is spent bonding over being assholes together. They've got a ship full of mutineers! People who "deserve" their assholery, yay! So they go around having a grand old time blowing things up and murdering people.

Compare the Rocket from the first movie, who tried to convince the rest of the gang to just give up and run away, because he thinks being selfless is stupid and genuinely doesn't want to see his friends get killed, but in the end goes along with their (to him) stupid heroism because he'd ultimately rather die with them than live without them.

Rocket being a Sad Clown doesn't speak to the moral duality I'm talking about that was missing from GOTG 2.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#88103: Aug 1st 2018 at 9:19:11 AM

I felt like the Rocket/Thor stuff in Infinity War was some of my favorite, and showed real emotion from the both of them.

Likewise, Rocket got a lot of quiet emotion in Guardians 2, with the payoff coming when he blasts Gamora to keep her safe, and his reaction to Yondu's funeral.

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#88104: Aug 1st 2018 at 10:12:05 AM

Been avoiding this thread to avoid spoilers for Ant-Man and the Wasp because I somehow haven't gotten around to watching that, so I don't know how aware of the next MCU!Spider-Man movie you guys are, but apparently:

  • Jake Gyllenhaal is in this movie as Mysterio.
  • Avengers 4 spoiler: Cobie Smulders is (probably?) also in this as Maria Hill, probably in a role similar to what Jon Favreau had in Homecoming as like an anchor for the larger MCU.
  • The next MCU!Spidey movie is called Spider-Man: Far From Home.
  • And we now have an official logo!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88105: Aug 1st 2018 at 10:13:14 AM

Eh...the point of the second Guardians movie is that Rocket's assholery is mostly self-protection. He doesn't want to get hurt, so he lashes out pre-emptively. His arc is to realize that he doesn't have to, that the Guardians will be with him till the end and will always forgive him unless he himself pushes them away deliberately.

Honestly, the second Got G made Rocket to one of my favourite characters in the whole MCU. I am ridiculously invested in a CGI raccoon.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#88106: Aug 1st 2018 at 10:45:05 AM

Yeah, really have to disagree with you on Rocket. GOTG 2 built on his issues from the first one way more and more in-depth.

Other stuff is basically on point, though.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88107: Aug 1st 2018 at 11:43:40 AM

Not that I mind baby groot...and Gamora thankfully has her own arc too, with Nebula.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#88108: Aug 1st 2018 at 3:10:11 PM

Variety reports James Gunn is unlikely to be rehired for GotG Vol. 3 despite cast pressure.

Disney's reasoning for not doing so, per an insider? "Those tweets were so horrible and Disney has a different standard then other studios." (LMFAO; as if their Golden Age cartoons were any less racist than their counterparts) They also make the old-fashioned excuse that "We didn't know!"

Didn't matter who was pushing the old tweets out, or how old they were.

If I were a Fox employee whose contract could get picked up Disney in the future, I'd quit the moment of contract pickup in protest over this incompetence.

Edited by Mario1995 on Aug 1st 2018 at 6:12:56 AM

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#88109: Aug 1st 2018 at 3:13:40 PM

> I'd quit in protest over this incompetence.

Is it really worth having to go job hunting over something like this? I get why,but if your position is secure why would you want to jeopardise something like that?

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#88110: Aug 1st 2018 at 3:15:39 PM

[up]Because what if the staff end up having tweets similar to, or worse than, Gunn's and the alt-right starts to circulate those old tweets? Is it worth being in Gunn's position? You might as well find another studio who won't care about old tweets.

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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#88111: Aug 1st 2018 at 4:55:41 PM

I don't see what happened in the Golden Age as being particularly relevant to this discussion. And it's a bit of a leap to assume someone would immediately decide that the uncertainty of unemployment was worth a protest resignation. I mean, most people I know don't think it's okay to post pedophile jokes on social media - it seems like a reasonable view to have...

While I have have qualms about Gunn's firing, Disney was well within it's rights to do so, and Gunn has acknowledged that. Still, I feel like they could have done so while pointing out that Cernovich is a scumbag whose actions have put innocent people at risk before. And they didn't.

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#88112: Aug 1st 2018 at 11:23:40 PM

I still think that Disney is going to have to drop their "family-friendly" image now that they own Fox, especially since they've said that they'll keep making Deadpool films.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88114: Aug 2nd 2018 at 1:08:27 AM

"LMFAO; as if their Golden Age cartoons were any less racist than their counterparts)"

Actually...they were. There is neither a Disney cartoon under the 11 censored ones, nor does Disney tend to make the cut whenever someone list the most racist moments in animation, unless it is specific Disney animation.

Just so that you get an idea what Disney is up against:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n-id-rwKaU

Compared to this the Crows (whose "racism" is debatable) and sunflower (which is easily Disney's worst moment) are positively benign.

[up][up] All a question of branding.

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 2nd 2018 at 1:11:48 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#88115: Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:26:32 AM

... it’s still awful and racist and not okay, regardless of whether some other animated sketches were worse.

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#88116: Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:41:09 AM

It's also still off-topic, as has been pointed out. Disney doing racist things in really old cartoons has no relevancy to things they're doing nowadays.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:43:02 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88117: Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:45:04 AM

Everything was racist back then. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:59:30 AM

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88118: Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:54:53 AM

...that is not accurate at all and diminishes the responsibility of those who made racist cartoons.

So, back on topic- high resolution gifs from Infinity War are making the rounds now. I have to say, IW has good lightning and color saturation.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#88119: Aug 2nd 2018 at 3:57:55 AM

I can't understand why it's taking so long for a DVD release (in the UK we're waiting until septmber!)

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88120: Aug 2nd 2018 at 5:06:10 AM

Well, the movie is still in theatres and collecting money...plus, if they release it closer to Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 it will keep the interest up.

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#88121: Aug 2nd 2018 at 5:20:57 AM

but I want it nao!

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88122: Aug 2nd 2018 at 7:32:53 AM

Disney certainly had its share of blatantly racist caricatures and characters back in the day, they were just always capable of making good enough of an overall product that it’s easy to overlook and whitewashing what they can’t. Not that this always saved them, hence the very old and still very well remembered backlash against Song of the South.

In addition to the ones already noted, there’s also the many caricatures from the official Disney comics, and the most obvious example: Sunflower from Fantasia.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 2nd 2018 at 7:36:14 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#88123: Aug 2nd 2018 at 7:39:50 AM

Yes, Disney did stuff in the past. But we all know that, as of now, Disney absolutely holds itself to a higher standard than most studios in one regard in particular: being non-offensive, edgeless, and safe to maximize profits. Seriously, it's most peoples' biggest issue with Disney and the firing is wholly in-line for them.

I'm fully against Gunn's firing but claiming it's hypocritical for Disney is absurd.

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#88124: Aug 2nd 2018 at 7:45:42 AM

I feel that they aren't going to be able to maintain that image now that they own Fox, and all of their properties, including Deadpool. Kind of hard to keep the image of "family-friendly and edgeless" when their logo appears in front of a movie about an anti-hero who's made of cancer, kills constantly, and makes incredibly offensive jokes all the time.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#88125: Aug 2nd 2018 at 8:01:50 AM

[up]Their logo probably won't appear in front if any future Deadpool movies.

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