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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88001: Jul 31st 2018 at 1:29:27 AM

[up] But it may not be late for him to become a better man...right?

Am I still the page-topping king?

Edited by Luigisan98 on Jul 31st 2018 at 12:29:08 PM

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#88002: Jul 31st 2018 at 1:53:12 AM
Thumped: This post was thumped by moderation to preserve the dignity of the author.
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88003: Jul 31st 2018 at 2:12:41 AM

[up] World's complicated in what makes one a good one after all.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88004: Jul 31st 2018 at 2:45:09 AM

We really have to get out of the mindset that the internet is somehow different from the real world. Unless we learn that the internet isn't a rule free space (nor should it be one), and that there are consequences, this will happen again and again.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88005: Jul 31st 2018 at 4:50:19 AM

An angle on this I've not seen is how this raises issues of worker rights.

I'm absolutely for people being held accountable for their actions, but the idea that companies can tare up contracts because of poor public conduct from a decade ago. That's just not cricket.

I'm not surprised that Gunn got fired for it, I am surprised that it's legal for Disney to do it.

I mean, I don't care about James Gunn exactly, he's got a net worth of 40million dollars and he's not a lynch pyn of modern culture, so he and these movies will be fine, but it's not a prescient I can condone.

Edited by Whowho on Jul 31st 2018 at 12:50:49 PM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#88006: Jul 31st 2018 at 5:02:28 AM

This is why I don't use social media myself. The risks far outweigh the rewards.

Also at the very least it was kind of foolish for Gunn not to make sure that those posts were deleted once he became involved with Marvel.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88007: Jul 31st 2018 at 5:08:04 AM

Officially, Amber Heard withdrew the domestic violence claim and they issued a joint statement saying their relationship was passionate while also volatile.

Yes, we all know an official divorce statement is the full, detailed, truth. And that every domestic violence victim always pursues his or her case rather than drop it. Also, that same statement specifically says that no one made anything up for financial gain, aka Amber wasn’t lying.

Also officially, despite a number of bad-looking photos and videos turning up the police investigated the claims and couldn't corroborate anything.

Depp’s managers backed up her accusations. And it’s really not okay to reduce the photos and videos to “bad-looking.”

There are different ways to assess that. The implication of their statement, and most optimistic, is they had strong arguments that might not look good from an outside perspective but was not actually abusive (you could argue Heard's lawyers were trying to spin it to leverage a better divorce position).

Absolutely not. She donated her entire divorce settlement to charity. That’s not what one does if one spun accusations to “leverage a better divorce position.”

We’ve already litigated the Depp domestic violence case at least once on this thread, but a fact check is in order here.

Depp's always been a little crazy, hanging out with rock stars and living a rock star life, sometimes fighting paparazzi and security, becoming friends with Hunter S. Thompson, etc. For what it's worth a few of Depp's ex-wives came to his defense, saying it doesn't sound like him, and it was said that he was having a hard time after his mom died and turned to drugs and alcohol.

“Rock star life” is a gross way to minimize repeated incidents of assault and battery. Also, an ex-spouse coming to one’s defense is meaningless. That’s like defending a friend accused of murder because “well, they never murdered me!” And plenty of people lose their moms without turning to abusing their spouses and staff. Her death might explain his behavior, but it does not excuse it.

Edited by wisewillow on Jul 31st 2018 at 8:13:39 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88008: Jul 31st 2018 at 5:13:04 AM

Directors aren't exactly employees. They are contractors. Which means it is based on contract if you can fire them or not (or how much it will cost you to fire them...ie Burton had for a while a clause that studios had to pay him once hired for a movie even if said movie never got off the ground). And you can bet that James Gunn has some sort of behaviour clause in his contract.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88009: Jul 31st 2018 at 5:29:50 AM

The opposite, and more cynical, belief is that Heard was pressured to drop the claim in agreement to a particular deal and the police were paid off in their investigation to preserve Depp's career.

I think the more cynical belief would be hand-waving away Depp's accusations as "a rockstar lifestyle" and "lawyer spin" rather than the claims of an abused person that got nothing out of the whole ordeal (as Wisewillow just pointed out) other than the irrational and everlasting hatred of Johnny Depp's toxic fanbase and the toxic elements of the internet in general. Believing what you just described (Heard being forced to recant and Depp covering his actions with the law) isn't cynicism, it's a basic sense of Hollywood's reality.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#88010: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:18:28 AM

Yes, Johnny Depp is pretty indefensible. Regardless of how a given person feels about the James Gunn accusations, I hope we can all agree that active violent abuser Depp deserves the boot a lot harder.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88011: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:20:07 AM

[up] But what if he will be given some time off if he realizes what he's doing is wrong...?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#88012: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:22:17 AM

Then Amber Heard will remain a battered victim.

You can't unbeat someone.

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#88013: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:22:56 AM

Yeah, fuck Depp. I was already sick of him and the Pot C movies, but hearing about these abuse stories...eesh.

Edited by XJTordecai on Jul 31st 2018 at 7:24:02 AM

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88014: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:27:17 AM

[up][up] It's never too late to atone when it's right. And if she can't forgive him even if he feels remorse later on...he'll learn the consequences of what his behavior did and not everyone will be back for him.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88015: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:32:02 AM

Okay please stop trying to spin this in a positive or optimistic context.

There is nothing positive or optimistic about this at all unless he just gets straight up fired & blacklisted as punishment for all his troubles.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2018 at 7:31:44 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88016: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:34:18 AM

[up] I'm not trying to be positive about it...I'm just saying that...maybe...just maybe...it may be too late for Depp to atone for what he did...blacklisting him won't be good if he will seek amends.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#88017: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:36:14 AM

Still don't wanna chance it. He needs to be given the boot.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88018: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:38:12 AM

If he shows no desire to atone then let him face punishment.

And if he only shows desire to atone after said punishment then that changes nothing.

Cause it’s like a serial killer being remorseful AFTER they get caught. What am I supposed to be sympathetic? They would have kept on killing if they remained uncaught.

They made their bed, now them lie in it.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2018 at 7:40:15 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#88019: Jul 31st 2018 at 7:38:30 AM

the boot is too kind,he needs to have the book thrown at him

And yeah,constantly being optimistic is getting really annoying

[up] Lets not get carried away with serial killer comparisons

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 31st 2018 at 2:38:39 PM

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nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#88020: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:04:04 AM

This is getting into non-MCU weeds.

~KJMackley, you're edging close to, if not over, the line regarding physical abuse victims. Thumped to caution.

Edited by nombretomado on Jul 31st 2018 at 8:06:12 AM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88021: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:43:31 AM

So, when do we think we’ll get the Avengers 4 title?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#88022: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:46:55 AM

They'll announce it at the next comic con would be my guess

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88023: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:51:34 AM

I know we aren't guessing names any more, but I'm gonna say Avengers 4 the win.

Don't steal it, or I'm hunting you all down.

You guys know how crazy I am. I won't let logic stop me.

One Strip! One Strip!
HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#88024: Jul 31st 2018 at 8:55:46 AM

I heard they'll be announcing it at the end of 2018?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88025: Jul 31st 2018 at 9:00:21 AM

Wait, how far in advance did we get the Infinity War title? Surely it was more than 6 months in advance.


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