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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87926: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:36:40 AM

[up]...The others are unforgiving folks in regards to second chances, isn't it?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87927: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:38:34 AM

I think it's safe to say Guardians Vol. 3 is canned because there's no way Disney will rehire Gunn and not face a PR nightmare, guaranteeing box office bombing or under-performance. Everything will be overshadowed by the tweets and the right-wing could call for terrorist acts at Disney properties (and with America awash with guns there's no reason to believe that one of those wingnuts wouldn't carry one out).

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87928: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:42:10 AM

[up] Dude, I understand your concerns, but there's no need to jump for the worst just yet. Times like these prove that the ones willing to the right thing will do anything to set things right and Disney may be partially aware of the nature of the firing but they need their time.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87929: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:45:17 AM

[up]"Disney rehires director who made thousands of pedophilia and rape jokes out of pressure from cast."

Disney, who delivers thousands of hours of family-oriented content, simply can't afford to have a headline like that.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87930: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:48:28 AM

[up] Not unless enough people give out the message that second chances do exist and people can change and become better beings.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87931: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:52:38 AM

[up]Pedophilia and rape are not the kinds of topics where "second chances" apply. Why do you think people who are convicted of such acts get life imprisonment or the death penalty?

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 30th 2018 at 1:54:40 PM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87932: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:52:47 AM

Actually, they don't condemn Disney in the letter. Not at all. They condemn the people who weaponized the tweets and acknowledged that they were not okay, but they don't even request for James Gunn to get reinstated, they just said that they are encouraged by the fans who want that and signal that they want to continue working with him in the future.

Honestly, it is a masterpiece of diplomacy. Well done.

And yes, it is possible that the big wigs are reconsidering now that the Fox deal is through, but it is also possible that Disney will stick to their guns.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87933: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:54:00 AM

[up][up] Even if said person joking about them doesn't actually commit or support them?

[up] Still, a rehiring could still lead to wonders if we spread the good message enough.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87934: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:57:47 AM

[up][up]The problem is that by making noises they're signalling they may not work with anyone else besides Gunn. They're forcing Disney to make a choice that could have huge consequences for the MCU and the entire company in the long-term.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87935: Jul 30th 2018 at 10:58:47 AM

[up] No, they are actually very careful not to do that. Nor should they. Because if they did that, Disney would have no choice but to say "no".

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#87936: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:01:12 AM

Dude, I understand your concerns, but there's no need to jump for the worst just yet

This isn’t jumping to the worst, this is acknowledging real events that have actually happened. The alt right asshat who caused this fiasco is personally responsible for convincing a gunnut to storm a fucking pizza joint, armed and loaded. Disney is “the liberal-SJW-white hating propaganda machine putting gays and blacks and women on our kid’s T Vs” to these people.

Heather Heyer was killed because of these fuckheads driving a car into a crowd of counter protesters.

Blood has been spilled, a woman has been murdered, and many more could have died as well, because of these people.

Optimism is appreciated, but your idea of “close your eyes, pretend that there is not legitimate threat to human life, and wish really hard” does not help anyone, or anything, but the alt right. And Disney handed them a metric fuckton of power by firing James Gunn in the blink of an eye when they rang.

Edited by TheAirman on Jul 30th 2018 at 1:03:23 PM

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87937: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:04:54 AM

[up] I never implied that the Alt-right shouldn't be taken seriously. What I meant is that as long everything holds on together and people deliver the right message and stand up against a potential threat, then the ammo for the alt-right will run out.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87938: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:08:37 AM

Put in a less annoyingly optimistic way: "the alt-right can lose if we play our cards right and don't turn on each other" which is true enough.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87939: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:10:06 AM

[up] That's what I meant.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87940: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:11:41 AM

The Alt-right always loses in the end. The question is always how much damage it manages to do beforehand.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87941: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:12:33 AM

Pedophilia and rape are not the kinds of topics where "second chances" apply. Why do you think people who are convicted of such acts get life imprisonment or the death penalty?

Is James Gunn accused of committing either of those? No. He’s accused of having tweeted jokes about them.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87942: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:16:03 AM

[up][up]Reminder that Trump is president and the alt-right were some of his most fervent supporters and voters, and the damage is already devastating.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jul 30th 2018 at 2:17:59 PM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87943: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:17:02 AM

[up] But not for long.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87944: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:20:11 AM

Not for long?

He's president for the next two years,even when election day comes we're all relying on the 'blue wave' to happen,I have my doubts

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87945: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:21:45 AM

[up] That's what I meant for not too long, either the presidential election or the fallout after all pieces from the investigation are found.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87946: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:22:04 AM

I'd say him getting impeached is more likely to happen than him lasting the rest of his term at this point, but this is off-topic for the MCU thread.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#87947: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:23:05 AM

[up]Yeah, sorry. Got a little carried away there.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87948: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:23:10 AM

Your blind optimism is annoying me

embrace the cynical damn it

[up][up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 30th 2018 at 6:23:07 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#87949: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:24:24 AM

I would advise everyone not to act like they can see the future. We don’t know what will happen with Guardians Vol. 3, so I suggest we wait until we do.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#87950: Jul 30th 2018 at 11:24:43 AM

[up][up][tdown]

[up][tup]

Edited by Luigisan98 on Jul 30th 2018 at 10:24:31 PM

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