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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The Asgardians didn't deserve to lose their homes. They didn't deserve to have homes paid for in blood either probably.
Deserve is a weird thing.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think the Thor movies always had that problem, but never really tried to reconcile the two sides before. Sure, Ragnarok is messy, but that was always going to be messy. It kind of needed to be messy, and iconoclastic, and faltering. Flawed though it might be, it shook things up and gave Chris Hemsworth's Thor the shot in the arm he needed, to carry his sizable chunk of Infinity War. The versions of Thor and Hulk we had as of The Dark World, Iron Man 3, and Age of Ultron wouldn't have cut it.
Edited by Unsung on Jul 24th 2018 at 12:37:31 PM
Pretty much...every Thor movie is basically two movies smashed together, but usually it is the Thor Story and the Loki story, so both of them are still kind of connect. This time around though Thor and Loki have their story together and the whole Ragnarök plotline feels entirely disconnected. And that is the part where supposedly the thematical gravitas of the story is.
Edited by Swanpride on Jul 24th 2018 at 11:18:24 AM
The problem is that the Ragnarok stuff, which is where all of the interesting thematic stuff and emotional resonance (not to mention tension) is, feels like the B-plot. The movie seems to me far more interested in Thor's "wacky hijinks" and goofing off on Sakaar. Honestly, as far as the Thor movies go, this one was the one where I felt like the two plots felt the MOST disconnected from each other, and not in a good way.
Also I feel like Hela suffers as a villain because of this as well.
It's weaker than it could've been, but I don't think the comedy is the problem, just a lack of time spent developing the Asgardian side of things. I think a lot of the time we spent on Hela's exposition and dog-kicking with Skurge would have been better spent on showing Heimdall and the Warriors Three fighting a losing battle for Asgard. That could've easily worked to do more to flesh out Hela as well — think of the relatively small amount of time Saruman gets in the Peter Jackson movies, but his presence is felt because of the weight of that one confrontation with Gandalf.
"Also I feel like Hela suffers as a villain because of this as well. "
She does because she is ALSO thor and Loki older sister, the rightful heir of asgard, she and odin are the reason Loki exist with is messy complex as jotum and the reason so many hate asgard.
If anthing, the lack of interaction between the odisson family feel really annoying.
"it shook things up and gave Chris Hemsworth's Thor the shot in the arm he needed, to carry his sizable chunk of Infinity War."
Funny thing is, I like infinity war actually allow Thor to have a serious moment without any damn joke in the way, For me thor have quite a comic relief of sort, the "joey" of the group with two main chararteristic:He is atractive and he like fighting,so seen him try to deflect is fear and them give in was a really good moment for the movie.
"it felt different to have one that plays it more lightly. "
Maybe but a main draw of apocalypse event is that all bets are off, ragnarok feel....small
Edited by unknowing on Jul 24th 2018 at 5:53:59 AM
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I wish Marcus and Mc Feely could write all of the MCU movies...nobody gets those characters as well as they do.
There are a few timelines which are more detailed...my favourite are the ones by BHL Hudson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG-ZtsbUQKs
I only put the link in because it is really long...nearly three hours. But it is fun to listen to it.
Markus and Mcfeely are great but they are not infallible. I thought there were a few issues with the Flanderization of the Guardians characters, and unless he's actually plotting something yet again, their Loki wasn't nearly as clever as he should've been.
I like the "Superheroes in New York" one. And the one he did in Ao S. It's (unintentional I think) hilarious because he tells Coulson "you can do better now" and this is exactly the point at which the show starts to show its true potential.
Edited by Swanpride on Jul 25th 2018 at 11:35:25 AM
I like the GOTG 2 stinger where he's rambling on to Watchers who get bored and walk away.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
...Why didn't Heimdall try to Bifrost them away?
And where were they exactly? It looked like just random space, but the way they had Heimdall bring it up, I get the feeling it was supposed to be somewhere specific.
One Strip! One Strip!

"It's just not a moment that should be funny, and the defense I keep seeing that Asgard should get blown up because Odin got his gold from other cultures just doesn't work for me.
There's a bunch of innocent civilians, children, watching this happen. Why is that funny? They don't deserve to loose their homes because the old royal family were assholes. "
Because Asgard is a monument of conquest and one that it would be imposible to turn into anything else....or something about that line.
I really never get why to introduce a talk about colonialism in what is a buddy cop comedy between thor and hulk.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"