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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87851: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:30:51 AM

The giving tree joke is a bad example. He jokes about changing the ending, and the boy is an old man by that point.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#87852: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:37:56 AM

[up][up]I didn't forget. And if it was almost any other subject, I probably wouldn't be defending Disney, although if it was any other subject, I'm not sure if they would have fired him. Really, there was... a lot there, which is why I don't think this is going to die down anytime soon. But turning it into a war of principles, given the subject matter... That would just make things worse.

Edited by Unsung on Jul 23rd 2018 at 2:17:59 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87853: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:40:43 AM

[up][up] He said he would change the whole ending, and it didn't sound like he had an old man in mind.

[up] We know they wouldn't have because we had the test already a few years ago when the tweets came up without the accusations of paedophilia in the mix. It is really that which broke James Gunn's neck.

Honestly, the best everyone can do is to treat the matter as calm and respectful as possible. Maybe Marvel can ask James Gunn who he can imagine would be able to realize his vision to conclude Got G 3. I think it is okay for the actors to speak up in support for him, but I don't think that they would do him any favours if they stage a protest, not after he left so gracefully. That will just make the story bigger and will make it more difficult for him down the line.

Edited by Swanpride on Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:43:15 AM

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#87854: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:51:40 AM

Okay, he says the Giving Tree will "grow back and give the kid a blowjob". There's two things to unpack here. First, the tree needs to grow back because the boy chopped it down to make a house for his wife and children. Second, and I might be wrong here: I haven't read the Giving Tree in a while, the boy is referred to as a boy all throughout the book regardless of age to convey the tree's different perception of time.

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#87855: Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:14:05 PM

He explicitly says "the kid", so it takes some mental gymnastics to derive any kind of non-pedophilic meaning from that.

Gymnastics you don't need to perform if you've seen any of the other pedophilic jokes he tweeted. Established patterns of behavior wipe away any benefit of doubt.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87856: Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:15:45 PM

Yeah, I’m not really interested in splitting hairs about the wording here. Gunn’s defense was “I’ve grown up since then and regret them”, not “actually it’s not a pedo joke.”

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:21:38 PM

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#87857: Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:26:35 PM

I'm not saying the others aren't. I'm just saying this particular joke is a bad example. And it is, because context is important. It's not mental gymnastics, it's just knowing the source material and context of the joke. There's others that are really bad, but this is not one of them.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#87858: Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:37:36 PM

Yeah. It's done with. He messed up, he acknowledged it, but it was still bad enough that it couldn't be ignored.

That happens sometimes. You can screw up so badly that no level of guilt or penitence can rectify it. It's sad, but it's life.

He's accepted it (I'm assuming that is. has he said anything in regards to the firing?), and now we have to find someone who can finish what he started.

All parties (except the ones who brought up the tweets) are being class acts on the subject, so lets not turn it into a circus.

But on the off chance we do, rioting is the appropriate response.cool

Just remember to riot with class. We're not savages.

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#87859: Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:41:59 PM

I’m sad I can’t go to San Diego right now.

Especially since I haven’t been able to go to a con in a long-ass while.

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#87860: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:08:45 PM

That happens sometimes. You can screw up so badly that no level of guilt or penitence can rectify it. It's sad, but it's life.

Well, you can rectify it somewhat. Just not 100%. 80% is still achievable. That's where Gunn is.

It's like getting caught shoving your dick in someone's birthday cake. You can apologize. You can get therapy. You can rebuild the bonds you destroyed. You can earn trust and become friends with those people again. You can go back to having a relationship with those people.

But you will never be left alone with a birthday cake again. There are conditions to the trust now.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:08:50 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#87861: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:26:10 PM

[up]

...

That is a very very strange example you chose.

You're not wrong, but still.

You couldn't have said taking a slice out of the cake before the birthday boy / girl? Or maybe just licking it?

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#87862: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:28:24 PM

I get the feeling this isn't a question worth pursuing.

For all our sakes.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87863: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:31:55 PM

...

Well that just makes me want to do it more!cool

Ok. All jokes aside, the point is made, and Tobias' comment is actually more optimistic than mine (you can regain some trust, even if not the unconditional level you had before).

... So...

...hmmm...

What Ant-Man villains are left? I'm wondering who we'll see for the next movie.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#87864: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:39:29 PM

Reminds me of The Culture. If you murder someone, they assign a drone to follow you around full-time and make sure you don't do it again. That's it. "No one invites you to parties. It's social death."

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#87865: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:54:19 PM

Quite. Like I said before, nobody's calling for Gunn to be arrested. Nobody's saying that he needs to be put on a sex offender list and kept away from schools for the rest of his life. He made jokes about pedophilia and the consequence is not being allowed to work for Disney, specifically. And that's punishment enough to fit the crime.

It's a slap on the wrist for an alarmingly creepy but relatively minor offense.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:56:09 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87866: Jul 23rd 2018 at 6:57:14 PM

They should fire James Woods now. For far more recent incidents.

Not being facetious.

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#87867: Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:37:35 PM

I have to weigh in on the discussion a few pages back about Korg's joke in Ragnarok, because that joke was my biggest problem with the film.

It's just not a moment that should be funny, and the defense I keep seeing that Asgard should get blown up because Odin got his gold from other cultures just doesn't work for me.

There's a bunch of innocent civilians, children, watching this happen. Why is that funny? They don't deserve to loose their homes because the old royal family were assholes.

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#87868: Jul 23rd 2018 at 7:56:19 PM

[up][up] He still has to do KH 3.

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#87869: Jul 23rd 2018 at 8:01:42 PM

[up]I’m sure they’ve finished recording all the Olympus Colosseum stuff by now.

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CommanderAce Commander Thor from Planet Earth, United States Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#87870: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:36:46 PM

If I recall correctly, his agent fired him on the 4th of July “as a patriotic duty” per his words in an email to James Woods, so Woods isn’t going anywhere. Plus, the reaction from a lot of people when it happened made it sound like no agency is willing to have him as a client and he has no goodwill even among conservative Hollywood types.

Edited by CommanderAce on Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:39:02 PM

Power of Thor!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87871: Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:46:54 PM

Bob Goldthwait, who posted on Instagram on support of Gunn, mentioned that Woods was recently doing new recordings for Disney’s World of Color.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 23rd 2018 at 11:52:06 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#87872: Jul 24th 2018 at 8:31:02 AM

They should fire James Woods now. For far more recent incidents.

Not being facetious.

I agree. While Gunn's jokes were terrible, Woods makes statements that are nearly as bad on more or less a regular basis. He's far more of an asshole now than Gunn ever was.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87873: Jul 24th 2018 at 9:53:29 AM

Well, that is easy to do...stir up trouble, create a huge controversy, and Disney will most likely do it, as long as there is any visible proof of anything related to paedophilia involved...otherwise they will just rethink before hiring him again.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#87874: Jul 24th 2018 at 9:54:56 AM

It's possible there were some higher ups at Disney who always wanted Gunn gone for one reason or another, and this is just a handy pretext for making that happen.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87875: Jul 24th 2018 at 10:13:51 AM

Doubt it. It is not the habit of Disney to interfere with the subsidiaries this way.


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