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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#87701: Jul 20th 2018 at 6:55:29 PM

He's referring to Johnny Depp.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87702: Jul 20th 2018 at 6:56:20 PM

Dammit!

Now Pirates is ruined for me!

...the first one. I admit the others ain't been that great.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#87703: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:00:19 PM

Star Power is more powerful than Director Power I guess. Rosseanne spent her goodwill pretty fast, Depp has too much power to effectively burn through his.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#87704: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:06:00 PM

I still don't understand that. He can't be that popular these days, can he?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87705: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:07:42 PM

To be quite honest, I don't think Gunn's career is over. On the pause, and very certainly he won't be directing Guardians 3. But this is on the comparatively lighter end compared to the many other Hollywood scandals this year, and the man who instigated his firing is so shady and corrupt that I wouldn't be surprised if something about him spilled out within the next few years.

Gunn claims he has reformed, so if he means it, then his behavior after this should show it, and if nothing else bad comes from him between then, then his career will eventually resume. Joss Whedon's already back to work on two shows after the reveal last year that he cheated on his wife multiple times throughout his life.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 20th 2018 at 7:09:19 AM

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#87706: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:10:03 PM

Cernovich has already said on twitter that, quote:"Date rape is not real". He is an alt right wacko. A dirt digger of great persistence and clout with the fringes. He can't be truly hurt careerwise.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87707: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:16:59 PM

What makes this rotten to me is that back when Gunn was first announces as director for Gotg we DID complain about these tweets, but Disney didn't care. But now, when someone on the political right complains about them rather than from the political right, Disney does care.

It's this weird double standard of Disney only enforcing these roles when it's the right who are speaking up. Depp not being dropped either is another example.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#87708: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:22:01 PM

I think it's less that it came from the right and more than Disney is protecting it's printing machine investment. Back then, Gunn was tasked with a bunch of C-list heroes team up, now that the GotG are worth almost 2kM. They have to act.

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Edited by vandro on Jul 20th 2018 at 7:23:55 AM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#87709: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:27:54 PM

So, shocked at the news but not to be honest? I don't have a reason to care given how old these tweets are and how they came about.

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#87710: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:42:49 PM

Oh, yeah, it's definitely not the end of his career. He won't be welcomed back to Disney due to their high standard of not condoning pedophilia, but I doubt he'll have any trouble finding new projects. He's not getting blacklisted here.

EDIT: Also, back when Gunn was first getting hired, the controversy then was some blog thing he did about the Most F*ckable Superheroes. It seemed crass and disrespectful, and it cast doubts on his ability to direct a serious superhero film.

That's significantly different from talking about how cool it is when a monkey sexually assaults a child. Disney was okay with Gunn because that controversy was about a 3 on the shameful scale. This one's a 10.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 20th 2018 at 10:46:50 AM

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#87711: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:55:08 PM

If this is a 10, then what do you call the controversies with Depp and Lasseter

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87712: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:56:29 PM

[up] 20?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87713: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:56:46 PM

Wasn’t he supposed to announce a new movie today?

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87714: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:58:09 PM

[up] Maybe he delayed it, giving time for the controversy to die down.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#87715: Jul 20th 2018 at 9:59:10 PM

Who do you mean by he?

Gunn was on the sony panel but given the controversy he was pulled from that, as far as I know.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87716: Jul 20th 2018 at 10:01:44 PM

[up] I meant Gunn.

Couple days ago he tweeted an image of a marking to hype up an announcement for his next movie.

We were theorizing he may be doing an adaptation of either Berserk or the comic book Nameless by Grant Morrison.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87717: Jul 20th 2018 at 10:06:30 PM

At least on a warmer note; Bautista is coming up to the defense of him, in a well-spoken manner.

https://heroichollywood.com/dave-bautista-james-gunn-guardians/

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CommanderAce Commander Thor from Planet Earth, United States Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#87718: Jul 20th 2018 at 10:43:48 PM

I’m not linking because they clearly endorse Mike Cernovich and other unsavory fellows, but it looks like the producers of An Open Secret are making their intentions clear on the matter with James Gunn and may have just given Cernovich a push with all the things going on.

For those who don’t know, that was the documentary on Hollywood pedophiles released back in 2015. The two producers, Gabe Hoffman and Matthew Valentina’s, run a Twitter account for it in addition to tweeting themselves on pedophile related content 24/7. Notably, Director Amy Berg has had nothing to do with the handling of the documentary or it’s Twitter since it’s release. The original documentary was rather interesting and respectful towards the victims, something that cannot be said about the current climate fostered by the producers. Browsing at their history, they’ve since devolved into an alt-right sympathizing bunch, as they retweet a number of folks like Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos. They also frequently retweet people involved with Pizza Gate theories, so yeah, they haven’t turned out so well. They previously posted an article from Milo’s website claiming Dan Olsen covered up Justin’s crimes and posted his work info so people could get him fired.

I feel things are going to get ugly fast, because, should you risk your sanity looking at their Twitter feed, they’ve gotten emboldened and this may be leading somewhere real bad.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87719: Jul 20th 2018 at 11:13:26 PM

We should do something to prevent it. Anyone got Twitter?

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CommanderAce Commander Thor from Planet Earth, United States Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Commander Thor
#87720: Jul 20th 2018 at 11:15:53 PM

Don’t bother arguing with them. Their tactics are to accuse people calling them on their bullshit of being pedophile enablers and a swift block. Drew Mc Weeny of the 80’s All Over Podcast learned this the hard way.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87721: Jul 20th 2018 at 11:17:25 PM

Then it's better to mass report them then. It worked with hate groups from Star Wars.

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CommanderAce Commander Thor from Planet Earth, United States Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#87722: Jul 20th 2018 at 11:46:53 PM

I’m not sure. This was an actual documentary the Twitter account represents, so that might just embolden them to take legal action and claim Hollywood is suppressing the truth. If anything, that would help their story.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87723: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:00:41 AM

[up] Unless their ties with the Alt-Right are exposed.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87724: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:12:11 AM

Twitter does not care about the alt-right. Thy're perfectly happy with keeping them around and giving them checkmark verification.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#87725: Jul 21st 2018 at 12:19:37 AM

[up] Unless some really heinous stuff of them are exposed.

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