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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87651: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:34:53 PM

He tweeted that way until he got hired by Disney so it might simply be that he knew that his new employer wouldn't appreciate this kind of humour..if he had been smart, he would have deleted the older stuff, too, just to be save.

I am very unhappy about the notion that we will lose his talent for the MCU, and I don't like how the whole story broke. But the situation being how it is, Disney can't afford to keep him on. Plus, there can't be a rule for people I don't like and a rule for people whose work I happen to enjoy.

Edited by Swanpride on Jul 20th 2018 at 1:34:58 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87652: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:43:37 PM

Fair enough.

You gotta be even handed on this. T'is a shame we won't get to see how he'd have finished things, but that's life.

I'm sure he'll spend the rest of his life kicking himself over this. He knows he screwed up bad, but at least he's not trying to spin it or act like he didn't do anything wrong...

...right?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#87653: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:50:33 PM

Aw man, a massive bummer regarding James Gunn. sad

I nominate Taika Waititi to take over the Guardians movies.

...And I don't feel so bad about losing Gunn anymore!

Yes to Taika, please! grin

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#87654: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:54:23 PM

So this is interesting. There's apparently debate though whether it was actually commissioned by Marvel or just a fan script. But I've never heard of the Black List taking fan scripts before.

If true it may suggest Tony doesn't die, but retires after Avengers 4.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#87655: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:54:54 PM

The WORST thing about the Gunn mob was it was led by Mike fucking Cernovich. Maybe he deserved to be fired, maybe not, but fucking Cernovich?

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#87656: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:56:51 PM

I don't agree at all with the "shame but this is how it's gotta be" attitude. The only reason this is back in the public eye—six years after Gunn offered a blanket apology for the tasteless things he wrote over the years—is because a piece of garbage like Mike Cernovich, who merrily writes about how date rape doesn't exist and how a woman should have given him a handy 'cuz his junk itched, weaponized outrage over this.

and: [nja]

Edited by Prowler on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:02:06 AM

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#87657: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:01:05 PM

Mike Cernovich? Isn't that the guy that caused something called Pizzagate?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87658: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:02:19 PM

Yep, like I said, I don't like how the story broke.

Did James Gunn offer a blanket apology? When and in which context?

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#87659: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:03:37 PM

It was more to do with his blog then, but I'm pretty sure that's where the bulk of his writing was.

Edited by Prowler on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:06:38 AM

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#87660: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:04:29 PM

Finally did some homework on this Mike guy and discovered some choice quotes. My favorite one has to be: "To beat a person, you lower his or her social status. Logic is pointless." I've seen people dodge logical fallacies or rationalize them, but this is the first time I've actually seen someone outright endorse using fallacies.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#87661: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:06:15 PM

This doesn't make the Guardians of the Galaxy films any worse, they're still great movies.

Didn't mean to imply that. If I were that kind of person I'd probably hate Full House and Roseanne.

What I meant was I never got into them so I'm not looking at Guardians Vol 3 like, "aw man, this is going to suck without Gunn involved."

Edited by Soble on Jul 20th 2018 at 2:07:45 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87662: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:08:12 PM

So he was already called out on them (btw, one of the jokes which got him this time was from 2011, this article is from 2012), apologized but didn't think it was a good idea to delete those jokes but instead allowed them to stay on the internet? Honestly, if I feel really uncomfortable about what I published in the past, I remove it if possible.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87663: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:16:58 PM

The only thing I was waiting for was Gunn to say that he regrets all the stupid things he's said, him having already said such a thing years ago is better than I expected. Give Gunn his job back. Also, regardless of context, fuck Mike Cernovich.

About that Ironheart script: I am 100% down for a Riri Williams movie. So super down that I even pitched my own idea for it a long time ago. Make it, Marvel. Ignore that some people apparently don't like her in the comics, people didn't like Civil War either, and the MCU salvaged that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87664: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:23:58 PM

I'm not sure I give autor theory enough weight that I think Guardians needs James. These films are collaborative efforts, and he doesn't have sole writing credits.

However, I know James kept dropping hints that Phayla-Vell would be in the third film, and I'm worried who ever replaces James won't have the clout in Disney to convince them a lesbian space alien paladin who's banging Drax'a believed dead daughter is film worthy.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87665: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:34:41 PM

Its shit like this that makes me glae I don't engage in any form of social media.

No Twitter, no Facebook,no Intsagram, no Tumblr, NADA.

Just forums through an anonymous identity. Safe & Secure for the most part.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 20th 2018 at 2:35:01 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#87666: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:35:54 PM

[up][up][up] Thing is Civil War isn't a character who people thought was a bad replacement for Iron Man. I kinda hope like with Kamala is just a pitch for ideas for Phase 4.

[up][up] As long as they don't hire Rian Johnson it should be fine.

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 20th 2018 at 5:37:38 AM

Just Makima.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87667: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:42:22 PM

Surely there are much worst directors than Rian for the job.

I think the hypothetical worst director for Gog 3 would be someone who has poor sound design, a bland colour pallet, is really poor at handling family dynamics, and generally makes everything really conventionally heterosexual.

Heck, who the flip did Disney hire to direct Pirates of the Caribbean Five, because that film ticks all those awful check boxes.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#87668: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:42:30 PM

Aaaaaand fired.

Edit: Ah, it was already mentioned. I didn't see that.

Edited by Eagal on Jul 20th 2018 at 2:46:19 AM

Lavaeolus Since: Jan, 2015
#87669: Jul 20th 2018 at 2:59:38 PM

The only thing I was waiting for was Gunn to say that he regrets all the stupid things he's said, him having already said such a thing years ago is better than I expected

He also made the following comments on Thursday:

Many people who have followed my career know when I started, I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo. As I have discussed publicly many times, as I’ve developed as a person, so has my work and my humor.

It’s not to say I’m better, but I am very, very different than I was a few years ago; today I try to root my work in love and connection and less in anger. My days saying something just because it’s shocking and trying to get a reaction are over.

In the past, I have apologized for humor of mine that hurt people. I truly felt sorry and meant every word of my apologies.

For the record, when I made these shocking jokes, I wasn’t living them out. I know this is a weird statement to make, and seems obvious, but, still, here I am, saying it.

Anyway, that’s the completely honest truth: I used to make a lot of offensive jokes. I don’t anymore. I don’t blame my past self for this, but I like myself more and feel like a more full human being and creator today. Love you to you all.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#87670: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:00:55 PM

[up][up] [up]There is a difference between this

and this.

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 20th 2018 at 6:00:42 AM

Just Makima.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87671: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:05:11 PM

Why are we bringing up Star Wars arguments in a Marvel thread.

Also the prior movie had a guy drinking messily out of a well being drooled over by an enormous butt-head beast.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 20th 2018 at 3:05:15 AM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#87672: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:08:20 PM

The point is there might be some bad directing options, but the last thing Marvel needs is a divisive movie like TLJ.

Edited by Mizerous on Jul 20th 2018 at 6:08:06 AM

Just Makima.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87673: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:19:33 PM

I don't know, I've seen Marvel Studios play it safe, and it gave us Doctor Strange, which was... meh.

Meanwhile, when Marvel let's its directors takes risks it gives us Guardians of the Galaxy, The First Avenger, Ragnarock and Iorn Man 3 which, yes, was divisive, but didn't damage the franchise in anyway and made a billion dollars.

Marvel tends to work well when it's unexpected. Which is possibly not true for Star Wars. (I think this is because Marvel comics are a lot more open to reinterpertation than Star Wars)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87674: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:22:51 PM

Marvel’s had controversial movies in the past. It’s just that by and large the Marvel fanbase doesn’t respond with the kind of furor that Star Wars fans do over issues perceived or otherwise.

So regardless of director, I’m pretty sure we’ll be good.

Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
The Mad Doctor
#87675: Jul 20th 2018 at 3:32:25 PM

The only way for Marvel fans to have the level of bile and salt equal to TLJ is if you gave Ike Perlmutter the director's seat for Alpha Flight, Avengers Arena, Power Pack, or a Black Panther sequel.


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