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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#87551: Jul 13th 2018 at 4:30:35 PM

"And I keep wondering if a Latino Mr. Fantastic is in the cards. As far as representation goes, it’s infinitely preferable to the other option."

Is this some kind of "if you make him black than the SJW's win" thing?

On another topic, my guess for Budapest as always been something along the lines of a flashback told by an Unreliable Expositor in an episode of Ghost in the Shell. Basically, it's about The Major and one of her present team being on opposite sides and hunting each other.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 13th 2018 at 6:32:24 AM

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#87552: Jul 13th 2018 at 4:39:16 PM

So apparently Danny Rand of all people was improved in Luke Cage's second season? That's almost surprising but not quite since he's being handled by not-Scott Buck.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#87553: Jul 13th 2018 at 4:47:03 PM

The Star Wars anthologies were a sheer, fucking unnecessary delight and I'll hear no arguments otherwise

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#87554: Jul 13th 2018 at 4:55:54 PM

[up][up] He was better even in Defenders. Not that much better, but at least they treated his flaws as flaws instead of cool action hero personality traits. I haven't seen the second season of Luke Cage though, so I can't say how it compares.

[up] I don't think Tobias was complaining about the anthology films. The old EU, on the other hand, was terrible about the whole "take one minor joke and blow it completely out of proportion" thing. I know some people disliked how Solo handled the Kessel Run, but the old EU did it worse, and it was one of the better examples of minor jokes or plot points given ridiculous explanations and backstories.

Edited by Discar on Jul 13th 2018 at 4:56:48 AM

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#87555: Jul 13th 2018 at 5:10:12 PM

No, no I was talking about the old legends anthology books

Tales from Jabba's Palace and the Mos Eisley Cantina

Truly we were blessed to know of the five different murder plots against Jabba or about the little Jawa who couldn't

Delightful

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87556: Jul 13th 2018 at 5:44:50 PM

We don't need a feature-length live-action film exploring the nature of The Cake and truly diving into whether it is or is not A Lie.

The hell we don't!

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87557: Jul 13th 2018 at 5:47:17 PM

"So your telling me there's no cake?Is everything in my life a lie now?"

"Everything but the cake is a lie"

-credits-

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 13th 2018 at 12:47:07 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#87558: Jul 13th 2018 at 6:49:17 PM

[up]x8 - God no. Just my utter contempt for a character I do not want to see.

That and after Black Panther and Luke Cage, a Latino hero who isn’t that one would be kinda cool.

[up]x3 - “The Last One Standing” is amazing and I will not hear otherwise.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 13th 2018 at 9:51:29 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#87559: Jul 13th 2018 at 7:44:26 PM

Danny Rand is pretty cool in Luke Cage S2, yeah. He's only around for one episode but it's probably the best in the season, in large part due to the Power Man & Iron Fist style. His personality is different, but in a way that feels like a natural progression and maturation from his prior outings. I still enjoyed Iron Fist S1, but I am definitely looking more forward to S2 if he retains those developments instead of regressing.

Anyway, I just got back from Ant-Man 2: Wasp Harder (Now With 300% More Tardigrades). It was really good. I don't have much to discuss about it, but (major spoilers) I'm wondering if Ghost and Dr. Foster will show up in Avengers 4, maybe even as Scott's rescue team and unlikely allies. They kinda owe him and the Pym family.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87560: Jul 14th 2018 at 12:19:10 AM

If anything Danny's last appearance reaffirmed for the that both him and Luke are better off together. Whoever came up with the Powerman and Iron Fist idea was brilliant.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#87561: Jul 14th 2018 at 5:32:09 AM

Half of Reddit's userbase just got banned.

Screenrant says the next Spider-Man film will be called Spider Man: Far From Home . I notice this only after everyone was shooting mock titles left and right some pages ago.

Edited by Soble on Jul 14th 2018 at 5:33:48 AM

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87562: Jul 14th 2018 at 5:44:33 AM

[up] The Spider-Man title is already all but confirmed.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#87563: Jul 14th 2018 at 5:50:01 AM

I've subconsciously ignored everything about the character that wasn't in Civil War or Infinity War ever since the Garfield films joined the Macguire films in the Toilet of Continuity.

My vote was still on Spider-Man Homewrecker.

Edited by Soble on Jul 14th 2018 at 5:50:09 AM

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87564: Jul 14th 2018 at 3:10:24 PM

[up]I'm confused, are you saying that Homecoming is Fanon Discontinuity just because the Garfield Spider-Man films are non-canon?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 14th 2018 at 3:12:15 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#87565: Jul 14th 2018 at 3:23:19 PM

The Garfield films being non-canon is good anyways. They were rubbish.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87566: Jul 14th 2018 at 3:34:02 PM

I agree,whose bright idea was it put that lasagna eating feline into the role of a superhero?

(I couldn't resist it sorry,they have the same name and everything!)

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 14th 2018 at 10:36:37 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#87567: Jul 14th 2018 at 6:41:18 PM

That would have been a more interesting subplot than the bullshit about Peter's parents.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87568: Jul 14th 2018 at 9:29:11 PM

Thing is, there is an interesting story to be told about Spiderman's parents. In the comics (at one time) they were spies working for SHIELD working undercover as HYDRA agents.

Considering the truth about the MCU's SHIELD, there's a very compelling potential story to tell there.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 14th 2018 at 9:33:30 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#87569: Jul 14th 2018 at 9:42:05 PM

[up] (5) ....no.

I meant that I'd been ignoring most Spider-Man media since the Garfield films. So if the title of the Homecoming sequel had been announced I probably missed it.

Edited by Soble on Jul 14th 2018 at 9:46:10 AM

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87570: Jul 15th 2018 at 2:21:21 AM

Sorry if that was posted already but remember the great Deadpool video which was set on a Disney song? Well, the channel is at it again, and they went all out this time.

Small warning there is an infinity war spoiler at the very end. And honestly...still too soon.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87571: Jul 15th 2018 at 3:16:14 AM

That was INCREDIBLE.

Back to talking about Spider-Man, my idea for a movie focusing on Peter's parents is one loosly based on the 1968 comic focusing on them. Peter decides to do some research on them, and he discovers that they were secret HYDRA agents within SHIELD. Peter decides that he has to clear their names. Throughout the film, there are flashbacks to them in SHIELD just a few years before the events of Iron Man. By the end, Peter discovers that they were loyal SHIELD agents who discovered the HYDRA infestation, worked undercover to learn their plans and almost unmasked them well over a decade before Steve would. It might take a little fine-tuning, but I think this is a solid premise for a film.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#87572: Jul 15th 2018 at 3:27:07 AM

Some people seem to hate the plot with Peter's parents because they felt it took away from the relationship with May.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87573: Jul 15th 2018 at 3:55:05 AM

Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't do a very good job of balancing screen-time between its various plots. Other MCU films, including Homecoming, proved that it's totally doable to balance just as many different characters and ideas that Amazing 2 did. I'm sure an MCU film could make a story about Peter's parents work without running into the same problems.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 15th 2018 at 3:56:52 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87574: Jul 15th 2018 at 6:24:57 AM

That was INCREDIBLE.

It was, wasn't it?

Back to talking about Spider-Man, my idea for a movie focusing on Peter's parents is one loosly based on the 1968 comic focusing on them. Peter decides to do some research on them, and he discovers that they were secret HYDRA agents within SHIELD. Peter decides that he has to clear their names. Throughout the film, there are flashbacks to them in SHIELD just a few years before the events of Iron Man. By the end, Peter discovers that they were loyal SHIELD agents who discovered the HYDRA infestation, worked undercover to learn their plans and almost unmasked them well over a decade before Steve would. It might take a little fine-tuning, but I think this is a solid premise for a film.

Maybe we could work Howard's death in there too. Either they confide their suspicions to him and that inspires most of his actions before death (pushing Tony away in order to protect him, maybe purposely riling Hank up to push the other into leaving Shield and thus getting out from Hydra's influence), since we already suspected he found out about the Hydra infiltration and that's one of the reasons he was killed.

Though I'm not sure how prevalent that theory is anymore post Civl War.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#87575: Jul 15th 2018 at 6:44:33 AM

That doesn't really work timeline-wise. Howard died in 1991, over a decade before Peter Parker would ever be born.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 15th 2018 at 6:47:38 AM


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