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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Almost certainly not Tony’s. Or any side that had Ross attached to it, really.
I could absolutely see him taking it as the perfect opportunity to retire, though.
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The implication is definitely there that Fury was counting on the Hulk being in his corner of push came to shove, though I’m inclined to think he was still being honest when he said he hoped hey would only need a scientist for this. There’s an almost sweet sense that Fury believed in Banner in a way that nobody else but Tony did, given that despite he danger SHIELD went out of its way to prevent anyone from disturbing the life he was leading.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 1st 2018 at 2:44:26 AM
I imagine he would take issue with the Hulk being under anyone's control. Especially the government's.
This song needs more love.That matters a lot less than how Bruce would perceive it. As a character, Bruce has little reason to say “well, Ross doesn’t have absolute control over me if I sign, just a large amount of legal control over its use, so I guess it’s okay.” He doesn’t want anyone controlling the Hulk, period.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 1st 2018 at 3:48:47 AM
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As well as apparently saying that they could be indefinitely detained (by the US? or is the Raft internationally controlled?) in inhumane conditions without trial or access to legal counsel. That's the point where I stop being onboard with the Accords.
When the Accords were first mentioned, Steve worried that could happen, but we're never given any indication that there's actually any provision in the Accords that allow them to order the Avengers to go anywhere. It sounds like they're designed to allow the UN, or individual countries, to determine when the Godzilla Threshold warranting the Avengers' intervention has been met, rather than letting the Avengers make that call on their own. Which is something I'd support, if not for the use of indefinite detention and completely ignoring the Avengers' civil liberties.
Edited by Galadriel on Jul 1st 2018 at 7:27:58 AM
Scarlet Witch looked like she had some kind of bomb attached to her neck and was kept immobile in a straightjacket, and all of them were kept in extremely encosed spaces with the indication that they would be kept there permanently, for 24 hours a day. Yes, that's inhumane.
There is nothing in the film to indicate any trial or any access to legal counsel (as the Raft's location is extremely secret, it's unlikely that access to counsel would even be possible).
Edited by Galadriel on Jul 1st 2018 at 7:32:24 AM
They got a plea deal after they broke out of the raft. Most likely they then contacted the authorities and got a deal, that doesn't mean that anyone would have bothered to give them a fair trial beforehand.
And the cells don't seem to have a toilet, it didn't look that they were ever let out, and Wanda is not only in a shock collar and a straight jacket, but also solitary confinement.
But then, for German standards US prisons in general are inhuman.
US prisons are also inhumane by US standards. But the private prison industry is strong enough to basically do whatever the hell they want.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.It's not explicit in the writing (iirc, it's treated as an implication), but both the Avengers and - more importantly - Ross act as if the Accords also makes it so they act under a degree of control: they don't just need approval to act, they can also be sent to act under the authority of others.
Hence Ross spending most of the movie barking orders at everybody (bad asshole Ross, that is, not good asshole Ross who ended up going to Wakanda), until towards the end where Tony decides he doesn't actually care about Ross and outright ignores him repeatedly. Bruce wouldn't get to that point, though. He'd just say no from the start.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 1st 2018 at 7:43:55 AM
More or less everyone is right in the discussion. That is the point. Every prediction made in it comes true (ie Tony's point that they are not better than the bad guys if they don't accept restrictions is ironically mirrored in Black Panther, who nearly kills an innocent man because he goes for revenge instead of justice, Sam is correct about his prediction that they will end up in prison without any rights, Vision is right about the danger of escalation, Natasha is right about them losing control if they don't try to stir the narrative aso).
The argument doesn't really end in the scene either. Ie Rhodey's "everyone has signed it" point is answered later on by Peggy Carter quoted by Sharon pointing out that sometimes the majority just isn't right. Woman's rights are one obvious example for it. If everyone had Rhodey's attitude, barefoot and pregnant would still be the norm today.
I think Banner would just recluse himself and go on the run again. The ending of Age of Ultron had him effectively leave the team after repeatedly saying that he realized the Hulk was too dangerous to be part of a group and that he was fooling himself if he thought the Hulk could actually be a hero. Even at the start of the movie, where the Hulk is portrayed in a far more overtly heroic light than usual, he's still shown to be reluctant about joining in and feels terrible when he's told that the Hulk killed a bunch of people (even if they were bad guys). The last thing he would want is anyone putting the Hulk in a situation where he could potentially put a bunch of people at risk again.
Edited by comicwriter on Jul 1st 2018 at 11:58:28 AM
The collar isn't a shock collar. We don't see it being used to electrocute her. As for the straight jacket that's to restrain her and where was she shown in solitary confinement?
Apparently not so secret if Steve and Tony knew where it was.
Edited by windleopard on Jul 2nd 2018 at 5:34:33 AM

To be fair, they really didn't want the hulk.
They needed someone with a background in Gamma Radiation, but when you deal with Bruce, the Hulk is kinda a package deal.
It was Tony who said he'd probably be joining them in battle (and actually predicted he'd get there), and Bruce himself who opted to do so of his own accord.
I mean, I actually want to believe Fury never had any intention of sending Bruce into a fight if he didn't want to.
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