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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#87351: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:32:07 PM

Nobody's been able to recreate the serum perfectly, but there have been knockoffs with various side-effects. There was Emil Blonksky with his initial enhancement that he fought at Culver University with. And depending on how much intel SHIELD has on the Winter Soldier, they may suspect he's some kind of enhanced.

Although really, Cap is only the first American supersoldier. The true "world's first supersoldier" is the Red Skull. tongue

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#87352: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:33:26 PM

[up][up][up] I know that's not what they were originally intended as, but they're still being used well in that regard. And they have plenty of hooks to the cosmic stuff due to their connection to the Kree (which AoS has also used). Yes, it would be nice to see the Inhuman Royal Family and deconstruct their fascist culture in a way that's relevant to current real-world problems, but the Inhumans show was such a bomb that it's extremely doubtful we're ever going to see more of it.

[up][up] I suppose that depends on your definition of "super soldier." Blonsky went berserk and had to be stuck in a cryo-cell, but he was certainly super powerful; does he count as a super soldier? What about Hulk? Hell, Iron Man could technically be called a super soldier, and by that logic War Machine should be called one even more. Cap is 100% unequivocally the first and best super soldier, but there definitely were successor programs with enough success that I wouldn't quite call him the only super soldier.

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Edited by Discar on Jun 30th 2018 at 4:33:20 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87353: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:35:54 PM

They can't do the same trick with Wolverine without explaining mutants to the audience or where they've been.

Sure they can. In fact, it'd probably be far easier to do so for Wolverine than it would be for most other X-Men characters, because he - much like Witch and Quicksilver - has essentially a different core concept as a member of the Avengers than he does as a member of the X-Men. A lot of core things about him are made possible by the fact that he's a mutant (like him being around in WW 2), but no more require constantly referring back to his mutancy than Spider-Man requires constantly referring back to the Spider that bit him. Once you know where his powers came from, you need little further explanation. It's the beauty of the mutant concept in the first place.

So you'd only really need to establish the existence of mutants (which, as noted, isn't really difficult - the MCU's basically already doing it anyway) and then run him as he does in the Avengers

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#87354: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:38:58 PM

[up][up] Well, the Ms.Marvel movie would have to mention her being an Inhuman...

Edited by Mizerous on Jun 30th 2018 at 7:38:40 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87355: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:41:06 PM

I don't like the idea that Mutants need some controversy for people to hate and fear them. Prejudice in real life tends to happen because someone powerful stands to profit from it.

Maybe a good starter villain is someone introducing knowlage of Mutants to the world for the first time because they stand to benefit from people distrusting Mutants. IE: they have Mutants locked up as a power cell and wants to the government and population to be unsympathetic when their crime is imminently made public.

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#87356: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:43:20 PM

[up] Racism doesn't have to make sense. People can hate someone for just looking different, and not for any political purpose or any other reason behind it. Mutants face hatred simply for being mutants often, and I don't know if fans will accept it any other way.

Edited by Mizerous on Jun 30th 2018 at 7:43:33 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87357: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:44:51 PM

But that's not how prejudice works? Prejudice isn't rational, sure, but it is taught.

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#87358: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:46:49 PM

Sometimes it doesn't have to be taught. It can also be a form of peer pressure like some kids picking on a mutant in school with one kid not wanting if, but the crowd is demanding he joins in on the bullying. Granted I hope the MCU gives layers to this aspect showing both the good and man in men who have to live with mutants from here on out.

Edited by Mizerous on Jun 30th 2018 at 7:48:50 AM

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Dr.XXX The Mad Doctor Since: Aug, 2014
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#87359: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:05:38 PM

Honestly, I see the mutant problem as taking inspiration from X-Men Grand Design. Mutants are always a minority among humanity from being worshiped as gods like Apocalypse, Selene Gallio, and Storm's ancestors to being burned as witches in England and France to being put in freak shows in America. Then an event brings mutants to the public eye. Namor flooding New York City and dueling the Android Human Torch in the comics or whatever the MCU wants and brings about the Mutant Question.

Honestly, I'm hoping if we're doing the mutant registration plot, it's actually a modified version of the Sokovia Accords. That way, it's easier to introduce old elements and have non-mutant characters be sympathetic to the mutant problem. It makes a bit more sense than in the comics where the X-Men don't simply hire a superhuman lawyer to fight these acts in court.

Edited by Dr.XXX on Jun 30th 2018 at 8:07:43 AM

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#87360: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:19:12 PM

[up] The human lawyer would get killed by a purple death robot.

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#87361: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:35:30 PM

How does one know if someone is a mutant without them explicitly telling everybody they are a mutant? Unless they somehow know the backstory of every hero, how would someone know to hate Iceman but not the Human Torch if the former didn't join the X-men? Heck, how many mutants can hide the fact they are a mutant by not joining the X-men?

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#87362: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:41:39 PM

That is why they should crack down on heroes in general. In DC Batman is still a vigilantee despite saving the world many times.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87363: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:49:40 PM

Time was that being a mutant was an allogory for aids victims, which was another invisible minority.

I wonder if Mutants are statistically inclined to vote a certain way, so it's in a political party's interest to stomp on them.

Like Nixon on black and hippy communities, or Reagen on LGBT persons.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#87364: Jun 30th 2018 at 7:34:35 PM

It makes the most sense to have people be prejudiced against all superpowered folk, but they usually make allowances for superheroes, since they save the world from alien invasions and all that other cool stuff, and you're unlikely to ever meet them, anyway.

But superpowered folk who just trying going to a public school or a shopping mall like normal people do? The public's gonna be leery about having someone so bizarre and dangerous walking around places where they don't feel that sort of thing belongs.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#87365: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:45:37 PM

With the exception of Civil War and very briefly in Age of Ultron, the movies haven't really done much to actually touch on how the general public actually feels about people with superpowers. We know Wanda screwing up in Lagos had a bunch of people outraged, but it's never really explored beyond that.

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#87366: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:48:12 PM

Like how plenty of racists still enjoy some black celebrities under the logic that they're the "good ones".

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#87367: Jun 30th 2018 at 9:58:06 PM

Again racism does not have to be correct, logical, or even non-hypocritical.

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#87368: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:03:32 PM

Well, there's always some form of logic to it, even if it's as animalistic as "Years of evolution have conditioned me to subconsciously distrust and avoid non-tribesmen on instinct".

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87369: Jun 30th 2018 at 11:56:28 PM

You know what is another reason why I would like the X-men in their own parallel universe? Aside from sidestepping the whole "why is one kind of superpowered people okay and the other isn't" issue and the whole "where have they been all the time issue" and the whole "how do you juggle so many characters at once issue"? I just would like Marvel to explore properly what the Fox movies just hinted at, the question how out history might have changed if mutants had been around. The MCU more or less does it from the current century forward, but X-men could do it watchmen style with there being an entirely different America because of mutants.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#87370: Jul 1st 2018 at 8:39:05 AM

In the comics, aren't mutants supposed to have only begun appearing in large numbers after the atomic bomb tests started releasing radiation into the atmosphere?

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#87372: Jul 1st 2018 at 11:29:05 AM

[up][up] I am not sure.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#87373: Jul 1st 2018 at 11:45:39 AM

[up][up] Pretty old news, don't think any new info in that article that wasn't mentioned somewhere in the past (both Wasp being cut for lack of focus and Reed admitting to being territorial).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#87374: Jul 1st 2018 at 12:00:28 PM

Not as territorial as Wright, considering the latter tried to make Ant Man totally self contained, and tried to deliberately avoid any ties to the wider MCU.

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#87375: Jul 1st 2018 at 12:13:49 PM

Rewatching Thor: Ragnarok. You know what's sad? We're at the part where Thor tries to convince Banner to come with him to Asgard so they can fight his sister and Banner doesn't want to go and accuses him of just using him to get to the Hulk.

Rewind like seven years or so. Banner's in South America or Africa or wherever he disappeared to. Romanov's trying to recruit him, assuring him they aren't looking for the Hulk. And Banner doesn't want to go. Because he doesn't want the rest of his life to be people trying to use the Hulk as a weapon.

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