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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87326: Jun 29th 2018 at 11:20:51 AM

In the Iron Man & Strange vs Black Order fight in Manhatten you can see newspapers, the headline being the continuing absence of Daredevil.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87327: Jun 29th 2018 at 12:04:54 PM

From what I can find about it, the headline isn’t about Daredevil (except arguably indirectly: it’s about an increase in crime) but it’s definitely the New York Bulletin: Karen Page’s newspaper.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#87328: Jun 29th 2018 at 9:28:00 PM

So, I just found out about a woman who cosplay Black Widow. And, well, check out the result for yourself and return to tell me whether or not she deserve to be hired by Disney or Scarlett Johansson's team:

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/06/29/avengers-black-widow-cosplay-by-helen-stifler/

Edited by shatterstar on Jun 29th 2018 at 9:54:35 AM

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#87329: Jun 29th 2018 at 9:47:38 PM

Holy shit.

Like the article says, that's some stunt-double level of cosplay.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#87331: Jun 29th 2018 at 10:52:42 PM

You can't see what's across from them on the subway car cross-section.

He's actually sitting opposite of Ward, and has had enough of his businessman shit.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jun 29th 2018 at 1:52:51 PM

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#87332: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:44:49 AM

So now that Disney is possibly about to get the deal through with Fox, how do you think that Marvel will handle the X-Men and the Fantastic Four once they make it to the universe? I think that putting the Fantastic Four into the MCU will be easy since they fit perfectly with Marvel's cosmic theme that's going on in the movies lately. But, I think the X-Men might be difficult because they will have to explain to the audience about why mutants weren't even mentioned before and also explain about there are other people living in the world besides humans.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87333: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:51:41 AM

Just give Storm a solo film. Have Mutants exist, (and have existed for a while) but people not yet realise they're connected yet.

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#87334: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:30:50 AM

I think X-Men would work best as an interdimensional crossover between the MCU and the X-verse.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87335: Jun 30th 2018 at 5:47:46 AM

Nothing said and done yet...Fox has still to approve the deal and then the Disney shareholders (which everyone seems to forget) have to approve it, too.

We will know more in a month or two.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87336: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:02:04 AM

As much as I love the Fox-verse and its crazy timeline, I would like these characters a chance for fresh takes.

Like, what would Shadowkitty, Storm, Iceman, Jubilie and Knightcrawler be like if they were introduced in a medium where they weren't second fiddle to Charles, Erik and Logan?

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#87337: Jun 30th 2018 at 8:20:26 AM

Explaining mutants is easy. It's a standard part of the X-Men set up that, while mutants have been around since ancient times, for most of that time they've been incredibly rare occurrences who could slip through the cracks as history, remembered only as myths and legends, if they're remembered at all. It's only in recent times that the number of mutants has increased dramatically, making them impossible to not notice.

Simply have a movie where people discuss how the number of people turning up with superpowers keeps increasing exponentially, and someone figures out that many of these new powered people are the result of a mutant strain of evolution. Then show that, while most people are cool with superpowered folk so long as they're something they see on the news fighting aliens and what-not, they're far less comfortable with the idea of such people living down the street from them or going to their schools.

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#87338: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:11:47 AM

Marvel is gonna have a Netflix heroes figure set as an SDCC exclusive this year, and I found some of the poses kinda funny.◊ Iron Fist. Why are you ready to punch someone on an otherwise empty subway car?

That's a symbolic gesture, actually. The closed fist signifies power while the open palm represents peace. More pacifistic orders will lay a flat palm over a closed fist to indicate that peace must always prevail over power. Others do it the way Danny is, signifying that power and peace must be balanced in equal measure.

Shang Tsung from the Mortal Kombat film had a really clever bow in which he lays a closed fist over a flat palm. Power prevailing over peace. It was a neat Genius Bonus.

What I like is that there's a whole doorway between him and the nearest member of the group, Jessica, who's turned away from him. It creates the image that Danny's disinvited from whatever conversation they're having. He's sitting over there like, "Yeah, I'm awesome," and everyone else is going, "Man, f*ck that guy."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 30th 2018 at 11:14:21 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87339: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:25:58 AM

How I would do MCU X-Men: give Storm and Nightcrawler solo films. Don't even have Mutants named. Just established that these people exist, and they're different, but it's not yet clear how they're connected.

Then later have an X-Men film where for the first time Mutants are organised together and have Ororo, Kurt and Wanda be members of that team.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87340: Jun 30th 2018 at 10:41:43 AM

I'd start with something like Alpha Flight. It's a group with strong ties to mutants but isn't, specifically, mutant focused, allowing them to introduce mutant and X-Men concepts indirectly while not jumping whole hog into the mutant plot right away.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 30th 2018 at 10:41:35 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#87341: Jun 30th 2018 at 1:14:30 PM

Yes!

Let us Canucks show you punks how it's done! Mwa ha ha ha ha!

...but we'd probably have to make some reference to you know who, what with his history being somewhat tied to Alpha Flight (he was meant to be their leader and he is Canadian). He doesn't have to be in the actual movie, just mention that there's a guy they have their eye on who might be a good fight (maybe with someone commenting that he's kinda small).

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#87342: Jun 30th 2018 at 2:49:20 PM

If ( since Comcast an still offer a bid plus it needs to be approved by Fox, and I have to believe Disney will approve it so that is a lock ) they make these movies don't reuse Logan, Mystique, and Magneto like Fox. Give them a break.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87343: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:33:15 PM

Hey, Danny was really great in Luke Cage. It was my favourite episode of the whole season.

[up] I agree. Whatever Marvel does, it should be a fresh start.

Also, I hope they do a Dazzler movie. That could be fun. I mean, we never had a movie about someone with power using said power for personal gain (without losing an uncle as punishment).

Edited by Swanpride on Jun 30th 2018 at 3:34:46 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87344: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:47:30 PM

[up][up][up] Introducing Wolverine through Weapon X, itself through having it as an antagonist group in Alpha Flight, sounds like a wonderful idea.

The downside is that Sony's practically done "Weapon X shows up, and Wolverine runs out of their cages" like three times in a row now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 30th 2018 at 4:32:20 AM

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Formerly G.G.
#87345: Jun 30th 2018 at 3:49:59 PM

To be fair, they redo Spiderman in Homecoming and Civil War so it isn't a though they are above that. They will have to introduce the X Men in a different way.

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#87346: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:06:27 PM

The key thing is Spider-Man was one character, and seeing him in the MCU with no origin story was a fresh start. They can't do the same trick with Wolverine without explaining mutants to the audience or where they've been.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#87347: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:15:37 PM

If they do bring in mutants and Wolverine, I hope it's mentioned that Weapon X is actually Weapon Ten, with Captain America being Weapon One. It'd be an easy way to tie it together, and they haven't really referenced any of the successor super soldier projects since Incredible Hulk.

But honestly, I would prefer not to have mutants in the MCU. The Inhumans have been used as a much better mutant stand-in, with strong logical reasons for all the racism against them (the world is very leery of aliens after the Battle of New York). I would prefer that the universe built on the foundations that AoS set rather than just bringing in a new superhuman species.

Edited by Discar on Jun 30th 2018 at 4:17:11 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87348: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:21:08 PM

Yep. I also would like to see the Mutants in their own universe. It think that would better for the Mutants lore, too. And they can always do a dimension hopping event for a crossover.

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Pet Owner
#87349: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:23:27 PM

[up][up] "Better mutant stand-in" despite the fact that is not what the Inhumans are meant to be in the first place. As for the hatred, you can easily have terrorist mutants like the Mollocks or some new Brotherhood without Mags or Mystique cause trouble and perhaps kill humans to justify people not being fond of mutants.

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#87350: Jun 30th 2018 at 4:24:36 PM

[up][up][up]That would actually solve something that's been bothering me for a long time. In Winter Soldier at the Captain America exhibit the voice-over talks about Project Rebirth and says that Steve became the world's first super soldier. But hasn't a big point in Marvel been the fact that no one's been able to recreate the Serum? So, shouldn't the line have been "The world's only super soldier"?

Edited by MedusaStone on Jun 30th 2018 at 4:26:27 AM


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