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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#87076: Jun 18th 2018 at 9:22:29 AM

It taking place before would be really unsatisfying.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#87077: Jun 18th 2018 at 9:51:11 AM

[up][up] While it would move the needle in that direction, one thing I've learned is that there's no such thing as a sure bet when it comes to predicting future story beats.

Guardians 3 taking place before Infinity War means only that the team will end that movie in a state that could logically lead to the state we saw them at the start of Infinity War. Absolutely nothing else.

Gamora will return if and when Marvel decides it's her time to return. That could be never, even if Guardians 3 takes place after Infinity War, or it could be within Avengers 4 itself even if Guardians 3 takes place before Infinity War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#87078: Jun 18th 2018 at 10:48:45 AM

TV spot with Randall Park's Jimmy Woo.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#87079: Jun 18th 2018 at 12:00:03 PM

Looks to me like Jimmy Woo is a service agent/handler who comes to check in on Scott for his house arrest.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#87080: Jun 18th 2018 at 7:40:10 PM

[up][up] I thought the question everyone were making was "where's Hawkguy?" tongue

As for if GOTG vol. 3 would be set before infinity war, I finally found the article: http://www.businessinsider.com/stop-making-avengers-4-assumptions-based-on-announced-sequels-2018-6

"Here's the thing, I think it's important to remember anything is possible in the MCU [Marvel Cinematic Universe]. Just because there's a sequel on the books doesn't mean... people become accustomed to time moving linearly in the MCU. That doesn't necessarily have to be the case. There's a lot of very inventive ways of where the story can go from here."

"Avengers: Infinity War" director Anthony Russo addressed the criticism of the superhero movie and how the already-announced sequels take some of the punch out of Infinity War's gut-punching ending. Does the fact that a "Black Panther 2" is happening dictate that all will be right with the character by the time the credits roll in "Avengers 4?" Everyone at Marvel has said that the deaths in Infinity War matter and the directors are sticking to their guns. In an interview with Huff Post, Anthony Russo stated that anything can happen in the MCU and people shouldn't assume that just because a sequel has been announced that it will take place after Infinity War.

Co-director Joe Russo took that a step further, citing specific examples of how the MCU can play fast and loose with the timeline. There are four years between "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" and "Infinity War," so the announced "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3" could take place during that time period and avoid the ending of "Infinity War" altogether.

"There's four years between 'Guardians 2' and 'Infinity War.' That's a long time, and a lot of Guardians stories to tell. Again, as Anthony said, don't expect everything to move forward in a linear fashion in the Marvel universe."

As Swanpride mentioned before, Marvel has lied before, but the posibility is still there, and honestly, I find GOTG vol. 3 being set before infinity war really posible.

edited 18th Jun '18 7:44:49 PM by eligram

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87081: Jun 18th 2018 at 10:22:11 PM

The deciding point is that they said if COULD be the case, not that it WOULD be the case.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#87082: Jun 19th 2018 at 4:18:29 AM

I assume that they are lying to us 90% of the time at this point, honestly. Which… They have to, if anything is going to be a surprise or have stakes. However, I strongly doubt that they would set Guardians 3 before Infinity War, because setting up a film where you know the ending isn’t satisfying. It only works for Ant-Man and the Wasp and for Captain Marvel because those characters aren’t in Infinity War.

edited 19th Jun '18 4:18:51 AM by wisewillow

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87084: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:42:28 AM

Huh, so while Ant-Man was a heist movie, Ant-Man and the Wasp is a road search-and-rescue movie.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87085: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:47:37 AM

This lab can actually be classified as an organism. Frankel explained, “In the corners of our space, you’ll see walls that light up and move and kind of are active walls, and the idea is reinforcing the notion of, ‘Am I in a computer? Am I in a building? What’s going on?’ This thing constantly thinking. So the building is an organism that’s set up as something to service Hank Pym’s current efforts. And there’s a movement to the whole thing that’s constantly happening so you don’t – he’s not there alone. The building’s set up to think for him, you know, to assist with all that. Not unlike a computer; an intuitive thought.”

So even though Ultron has already been done, we still have Hank creating an advanced artificial intelligence. Neat!

Also, Ghost more or less confirmed to be In Name Only.

edited 19th Jun '18 11:49:01 AM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87086: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:49:07 AM

And then Ultron comes back and combines with the building's AI to become super Ultron.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87087: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:49:36 AM

In before Hank invents MODOK or Ultron 0.1

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#87088: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:07:16 PM

If Hank Pym invented Ultron why did they choose Stark to make Ultron? Maybe Ultron is still alive and is going to manipulate Pym into helping him.

"Mai waifu."
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#87089: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:08:22 PM

The cynic in me says Hope and Cassie will probably get dusted so that Scott can have some feelings to feel in Avengers 4, but that's because the first movie did not leave me with high hopes for the film's treatment of its female characters. Neither has the MCU as a whole, to be honest.

The addition of "& the Wasp" to the title does not undo twenty films of precedent. I'm already not liking the trailer's handling of her blasters and wings as a suit upgrade that Hank withheld from Scott. She has better weapons than he does! This means, as a sidekick, she'll be able to accomplish less despite better tools than her male peer!

I know other people are all, "This will be the film that REDEEMS ANT-MAN in terms of female representation!" but I'm just braced for "Why the f*ck isn't this her movie?" Mk.II.

I'd welcome the film to prove me wrong, but as it is, my money's on Scott's Manpain.

edited 19th Jun '18 12:10:13 PM by TobiasDrake

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#87090: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:11:51 PM

my theory is that Ultron uploaded a copy of his mind as a backup,it's in cloud storage

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87091: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:21:08 PM

The addition of "& the Wasp" to the title does not undo twenty films of precedent.

What gets me suspicious is that all the trailers so far have focused on Scott Lang bouncing off his supporting cast. Hope does not have a supporting cast and we’ve yet to see a scene of her as Wasp where she’s not being compared to Scott. So yeah, “glorified sidekick” is what I’m expecting. tongue

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#87092: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:24:39 PM

If Hank Pym invented Ultron why did they choose Stark to make Ultron?

Because at the time Edgar Wright had all the authority over use of Ant-Man characters, and he wanted his film to be mostly standalone. This is also why the Wasp does not appear in The Avengers despite being one of the founding members in the comics.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#87093: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:25:04 PM

[up]x6

I think you mean Semi-Perfect Ultron.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#87094: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:27:41 PM

How can you be Semi-Perfect?! You're either Perfect or you're not me!

edited 19th Jun '18 12:28:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#87095: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:32:33 PM

I suspect that vision might have a copy of Ultron. His final scene with him is super ambiguous.

Also, yeah, there's some stuff in Ao U that suggests that Ultron is a much older project, and Hay, there's room for Hank to have had a hand in it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87097: Jun 19th 2018 at 3:43:35 PM

He didn't confirm anything...he just said that the movie "will be after". That is really vague.

HarpieSiren Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#87098: Jun 19th 2018 at 4:08:35 PM

The twitter thread goes:

"Mr. James, Guardians of the galaxy vol 3 will be before of infinity war?" "Will be after"

That's not vague at all, quite the opposite, actually

edited 19th Jun '18 4:09:25 PM by HarpieSiren

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#87099: Jun 19th 2018 at 6:50:33 PM

[up][up]That's the opposite of vague.

[nja]'ed

Anyway, I'm seeing some grousing about this since it pretty much confirms those who died in IW will be back (most of them anyway). It's why I've had mixed feelings on the dusting scene. Killing off big gun characters like Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Spider-Man immediately fell into Like You Would Really Do It territory, but I did agree with the Russos' claim that you can't just kill the lower tier heroes like War Machine or Scarlet Witch or Hawkeye or something, because then it's clear that they're just Red Shirts and that the actual important characters have Plot Armor.

edited 19th Jun '18 10:33:48 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#87100: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:11:44 PM

Yes, but we all know that it will "be" after Infinity war, because it will be released after it. I am missing the "set" in the sentences.

For the record, I do think that it will be set after it, I am just not sure if that was a confirmation or a quip.


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