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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86726: May 23rd 2018 at 5:02:48 PM

“Are you above or below angry bees?”

... and then Steve beats the crap out of him at the end of Civil War.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#86727: May 23rd 2018 at 5:18:19 PM

Speaking if Civil War, I just re-watched it. I'd never seen it with subtitles before, so I only just realised now that Howard recognised Bucky. Which is, dang that's tragic.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86728: May 23rd 2018 at 5:29:40 PM

I wonder if he asked himself why he still looked so young in comparison. Not sure how much Bucky was willing to open up about his experimentation since what we saw of him after makes it look like he kept it buried, but Cap might've told Howard beforehand and he put 2+2 together.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#86729: May 23rd 2018 at 5:33:39 PM

Well Cap was still MIA in 1991. I think it's fair to assume the Howard had no idea why his assassin looked like this guy he know fifty years prior.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86730: May 23rd 2018 at 5:37:32 PM

Also, Howard had about five seconds of recognizing Bucky before being dead, so he probably didn't have a whole lot of time to figure out the situation.

Granted, this is Howard Stark we're talking about, so maybe he did.

edited 23rd May '18 5:41:35 PM by KnownUnknown

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86731: May 23rd 2018 at 5:39:25 PM

Harold Stark?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86732: May 23rd 2018 at 5:41:45 PM

Fixed.

Sigh... vague page topper ftl.

edited 23rd May '18 5:42:31 PM by KnownUnknown

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#86733: May 23rd 2018 at 5:45:19 PM

I'm guessing Harold Stark is Tony's helicopter pilot uncle.

edited 23rd May '18 6:18:52 PM by AdricDePsycho

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86734: May 23rd 2018 at 5:47:43 PM

I thought he was the crazy uncle who lived in a tree & married a pine-cone.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#86735: May 23rd 2018 at 6:08:23 PM

As far as "last things you see before you die" go, having your presumed-dead war buddy show up, not having aged at all, is a pretty high on the "Last Second Mind Fuck" scale.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#86736: May 23rd 2018 at 6:39:27 PM

Yeah Harold Stark, Toby Stark's farther.

Ah well, imagine Sitwell explained everything to Howard in the MCU afterlife. That's only a 23 year wait for some freaking answers.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#86737: May 23rd 2018 at 7:09:53 PM

I think it was another interesting detail that makes it really tragic. When Howard says "Sergeant Barnes?" Bucky actually hesitates for a moment before finishing him off. So besides the fact that both times someone recognized him in the field it got a reaction out of him, it implies the possibility that he might've escaped HYDRA a lot sooner. If only Howard had had a little more time to talk to him...

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#86738: May 23rd 2018 at 7:24:55 PM

Ah well, imagine Sitwell explained everything to Howard in the MCU afterlife. That's only a 23 year wait for some freaking answers.

I mean, I'd like to believe that Howard isn't kicking it in Nazi Hell, but maybe that's just me. tongue

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86739: May 23rd 2018 at 7:25:39 PM

Luis just goes into the afterlife and explains it. He transcends realities and dimensions.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#86740: May 23rd 2018 at 7:33:33 PM

If Steve or Tony ever dies, they're going to be met in the afterlife by this exchange.

  • Howard: I've missed you so much. It's good to see you. I've been wanting to ask you something for so long.
  • Hero: What?
  • Howard: Was that seriously Bucky that murdered me? What the hell?

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#86741: May 23rd 2018 at 7:34:39 PM

[up][up]

...

Oh God, they’re totally gonna dust Luis the bastards.

edited 23rd May '18 7:38:35 PM by TheAirman

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86742: May 23rd 2018 at 7:37:25 PM

Gonna be awkward if that hero he meets is Bucky.tongue

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86743: May 23rd 2018 at 7:49:08 PM

[up][up]Probably but if they do then I want them to dust him mid-story and then when he comes back he continues talking like nothing ever happened.

edited 23rd May '18 7:52:33 PM by LordVatek

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#86744: May 23rd 2018 at 7:52:16 PM

  • Cap: Howard, here’s the thing... [explains what the fuck is going on]
  • Tony: Mom I missed you so much. Also I tried to avenge you and kill that guy who who killed you. Also also I fucked up. A lot.
  • Bucky: [silently stares in shock, grief, guilt, PTSD, etc.]
    • Howard: What the fuck man?!

edited 23rd May '18 7:52:52 PM by TheAirman

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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#86745: May 23rd 2018 at 8:18:44 PM

@ 86711 Known Unknown:

But Vulture managed to raise the stakes in the film, when he discovered Spidey's true ID and buried him under some rubble, without that and Liz being his daughter, the Vulture wold have lost something. Mysterio needs to raise the stakes from Act 1 to the Climax, if Mysterio doesn't play some cruel mind games with Spidey, beyond just framing him, I think you are missing something. Chameleon can frame Spidey, but driving Spidey mad is something Mysterio can excel at. Mysterio should make some real efforts to psychologically attack Spidey.

@ 86715 J79, this only movie where Mysterio will be a Big Bad, so I think this would the greatest hits version of the character, combining elements from several different stories, there is no reason Mysterio couldn't frame Spidey for crimes and try to drive him mad in the same movie.

edited 23rd May '18 8:19:03 PM by Overlord

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86746: May 23rd 2018 at 8:24:52 PM

Again, I find your assumption - or at least, repeated implication - that professional filmmakers would be incapable of raising the movie's stakes unless they do the specific plot you want a little strange.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#86747: May 23rd 2018 at 8:26:42 PM

For instance Vulture was never this personal a foe to Peter last I remember yet they did just that for Homecoming.

Sooooooo........... what the fuck is the problem here?

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#86748: May 23rd 2018 at 11:37:22 PM

Saw a theory that Steve couldn't lift Thor's hammer because during then he was keeping secret from Tony that Bucky killed his parents. D:

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86749: May 23rd 2018 at 11:42:24 PM

I think I prefer that take, the one where it's because he's doing it for ego stroking, or the one where whatever good traits Steve has aren't the same as being a good king, to the "Steve is too much of a Blood Knight" one. Not like it has no backing in the other films, but it feels like another case of Whedon doing what he personally thinks is interesting while disregarding other people's films.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86750: May 24th 2018 at 12:16:26 AM

I always thought that he couldn't lift it because in this moment he did it for the wrong reason - to show off - but that he would be able to do it if he wasn't really thinking about it.


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