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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86701: May 22nd 2018 at 5:40:25 PM

Well, that sounds cheerful.

edited 22nd May '18 5:40:35 PM by KnownUnknown

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#86702: May 22nd 2018 at 5:45:58 PM

Do they break time? That happened fairly recently didn't it? Time Runs Out? Wong did warn of such a thing in Doctor Strange.

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#86703: May 22nd 2018 at 6:19:05 PM

"Time Runs Out" wasn't literally referring to time itself coming to an end. It was the lead-in to Secret Wars. Every universe in the Multiverse was violently colliding with one another because of malevolent villains trying to wipe out all existence, and the point of "Time Runs Out" was that the end of all realities could not be stopped.

This culminated in a story about Doom assembling a patchwork reality from what broken fragments of the Multiverse could be saved and a battle to wrest control over all realities from him and start building new universes to replace what was lost.

The central plot was really dumb but the tie-ins, each set in a different reality and based around one of the big arcs Marvel's had over the course of its existence, were pretty cool.

They did break time, mind you, but that was something else entirely. I stopped reading like a year ago so I don't know if that ever got resolved. Time being broken was mostly just a plot device writers used to make time travel wonky and ignore the established rules.

edited 22nd May '18 6:21:19 PM by TobiasDrake

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#86704: May 22nd 2018 at 6:25:57 PM

This is off topic but I finally realized what the major problem behind Hickman's Avengers is

It leads into Secret Wars

Which culminates in Reed vs Doom

So all this time spent with the Avengers building up to this and it was never about the Avengers nor do they significantly feature in the resolution

The lengths the Illuminativengers would go, Steve and Tony's never ending fighting, Namor and T'Challa's rivalry

None of it mattered

It was all a vehicle to convey exposition and fail while Doom saved the day and then was a jerk so Reed had to swoop in and show him how to god

Reed was on the Illuminativengers but he wasn't really given prominence

Dammit Hickman

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#86705: May 22nd 2018 at 7:26:07 PM

The main problem with Hickman's Avengers is it's a bunch of Evangelion-esque weirdass shit waxing poetic about various degrees of Dudes Who Made The Universe. And then also [up], yes.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#86706: May 22nd 2018 at 7:38:52 PM

also that the living tribunal was taken out with guns apparently but whatever lets just complain about reed some more

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#86707: May 22nd 2018 at 7:55:49 PM

@ Known Unknown, I would like see Mysterio do more then simply frame Spider-Man for crimes, the thing that makes Mysterio dangerous is that he is a psychological threat rather then a physical one, take that away and he becomes pretty generic. Chameleon could frame Spidey for crimes, but Mysterio's M.O can allow him to perform some pretty cruel mind games and he is shown to have a cruel streak in the comics occasionally.

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#86708: May 22nd 2018 at 8:07:02 PM

The Living Tribunal's biggest move was described at one point as causing a supernova

He couldn't stop Korvac with that shit

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86709: May 22nd 2018 at 8:10:08 PM

[up][up] I mean, pretending to be / framing Spidey (while simultaneously presenting himself off as a "real" hero) is literally the thing Mysterio was introduced doing.

Chameleon is generally saved for spy shenanigans and conspiracies and such.

edited 22nd May '18 8:11:11 PM by KnownUnknown

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#86710: May 22nd 2018 at 8:11:26 PM

I mean, pretending to be Spidey is literally the thing Mysterio was introduced doing.

Which I believe he's done in multiple adaptations as well, including the PS 1 Spider Man game.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#86711: May 22nd 2018 at 8:27:49 PM

[up][up] Sure, but that's not the only thing he has done through out his career and I do not think that is enough to carry entire movie by itself, that should just be Act 1, not the entire movie, he should up his game through out the film and build to proper climax. He shouldn't just frame Spidey and rest on his laurels for the rest of the film, he should try to drive Spidey mad.

Mysterio has a bit of nasty streak in the comics, he tried make Spidey think he murdered someone, ordered Rhino to kill some teen super heroes (which he refused to do) in Avengers Academy and did a ton of awful things in the Guardian Devil story. I think h should be more ruthless then just framing Spidey for robbery and doing nothing else.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86712: May 22nd 2018 at 8:38:24 PM

He shouldn't just frame Spidey and rest on his laurels for the rest of the film, he should try to drive Spidey mad.

He didn't frame Spidey and rest on his laurels in the first place. There was a whole plot involved.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#86713: May 22nd 2018 at 8:52:36 PM

As long as Mysterio is the hammiest thing on earth, I'm happy.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#86714: May 22nd 2018 at 9:04:07 PM

[up][up] One issue is not the basis for an entire movie, you would have to add a lot more to fill a 2 hour film.

In Amazing Spider-Man 13, Mysterio frames Spidey for some robberies, goes to Jameson to get a reward for Spidey's capture and tries to capture him, Mysterio is going to have to up his game a lot for the proper climax of a 2 hour film with 3 Acts, Mysterio framing Spidey and just trying to capture him is not a proper build up to a real climax, Mysterio will need to raise the stakes some point in the film.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86715: May 22nd 2018 at 9:06:02 PM

Mysterio framing Spidey and just trying to capture him is not a proper build up to a real climax, Mysterio will need to raise the stakes some point in the film.

Why would it be literally the only thing he does? These are movie writers. They know how to build a premise into a plot.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#86716: May 22nd 2018 at 9:15:48 PM

[up] I am just saying with this likely being the only movie where Mysterio will be the Big Bad, you have do the greatest hits of his big stories.

I say have Mysterio try to frame Spidey in Act 1 and then have Mysterio try to drive Spidey insane through out the film. Mysterio being a psychological threat is what makes him interesting, when he is done right.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86717: May 22nd 2018 at 9:17:29 PM

Or they could do something original and low key, but meaningful to what they want to do with Peter's character, like they did with Vulture.

edited 22nd May '18 9:46:24 PM by KnownUnknown

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#86718: May 22nd 2018 at 9:19:02 PM

Whatever makes for a good character & story really.

edited 22nd May '18 9:19:43 PM by slimcoder

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#86719: May 22nd 2018 at 9:36:23 PM

I mean, pretending to be / framing Spidey (while simultaneously presenting himself off as a "real" hero) is literally the thing Mysterio was introduced doing.

Indeed. Both his appearance in the 60's series and Spider-Man: The Animated Series were nearly identical in how they did his intro, including the fight on the bridge, and a final battle in a film studio.

Spectacular was a little varied, but still struck most of the same beats (though it dumped Mysterio framing Spidey so he could capture him).

I wouldn't mind something similar for the movie. It feels like tradition.

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#86721: May 23rd 2018 at 9:27:16 AM

One of my favorite Spidey vs Mysterio stories was "Spider-Man Goes Mad", where Mysterio uses film footage of Spidey's enemies to cause him to think he's going insane. Though I dont thjink you could base a whole film on that plot (unless you want a shorter than usual Marvel film), I wonder if elements of that could be used in this film.

edited 23rd May '18 9:27:30 AM by J79

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#86723: May 23rd 2018 at 12:21:40 PM

That little girl cracking on him was the funniest shit ever.

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#86724: May 23rd 2018 at 2:35:50 PM

Watching The Avengers, and I think I've said this before, but this is one of those films where every time I re-watch it, I notice something interesting that I hadn't caught before.

In this case, in the scene where they're all in that room arguing about SHIELD's plans with the weapons, there's a brief moment where Natasha offhandedly comments that SHIELD has threat watches on everybody, which is followed by Bruce sarcastically quipping, "What, you have Captain America on threat watch too?"

I found that highly amusing given what happens come Civil War.

edited 23rd May '18 2:36:08 PM by Brandon

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#86725: May 23rd 2018 at 4:33:52 PM

Forget Civil War. That was already funny by the time Winter Soldier happened. tongue

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