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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86526: May 13th 2018 at 7:45:41 PM

I’d even go as far as to say the Netflix version of the character is the most heroic and sympathetic the character has ever been in an adaptation.

edited 13th May '18 7:46:13 PM by KnownUnknown

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#86528: May 13th 2018 at 8:03:18 PM

The moment you have a hero participating in torture you have a problem. "I didn't know one of the people I tortured wasn't a bad guy," is not an excuse because you aren't supposed to be torturing people in the first place. Not even the Taliban.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#86529: May 13th 2018 at 8:04:24 PM

I, for one, am waiting for an adaptation of Franken-Castle.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#86530: May 13th 2018 at 8:48:54 PM

This just reminds me of the Punisher Last Days Secret Wars tie-in where after killing Sandman with bullets somehow, Frank Castle spent his last hours of existence torturing terorrists because he's the kind of guy that thinks cessation of existence is getting off easy

It was not my favorite tie-in

edited 13th May '18 8:49:16 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86531: May 13th 2018 at 8:51:50 PM

Just a quick note because it was mentioned on the last page- the significance of the Milgram experiment is incredibly overblown.

Also, I’ve been trying to find demographic data- Milgram had a pretty small sample size, and I don’t think he even attempted to consider race/gender issues.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86532: May 13th 2018 at 9:35:03 PM

See, now I want to watch Inhumans out of perverse curiosity.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86533: May 13th 2018 at 9:46:38 PM

That's what I did. It's not worth it.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86534: May 13th 2018 at 9:58:50 PM

To date, it's the only show I turned off out of complete and utter boredom.

This song needs more love.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86535: May 13th 2018 at 9:59:29 PM

It goes from boring to mindbogglingly bad as it goes on.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86536: May 13th 2018 at 10:06:53 PM

Okay, fact check.

We don't see Frank actually participating in the torture. He does stand by and let it happen, but that applies to all of his team, and he's only used to execute the prisoner.

Frank absolutely was under the impression that the people being tortured deserved it. He and his whole team was lied to by a government conspiracy.

Frank's one-man rampage was because his team was pinned down by an ambush, and the only people he killed there were enemy combatants.

The only thing Frank did wrong in the past was tolerate torture, and it haunts him to the modern day. It's made very explicit that Frank was a much more ruthless and single-minded person during the war and he made a habit of not questioning orders. It's also clear that he was wrong for doing so and regrets his actions.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86537: May 13th 2018 at 10:28:44 PM

The Milgram experiment might have flaws, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't tell us anything about human nature. For example that the test persons were more likely to obey if they couldn't see the person they were torturing. Plus, it is by far not the only experiment based on testing out how humans react if you give them the power over other people or even suggest that they are somehow superior. All those tests tend to have the same result: Humans are prone to losing control over themselves if they are put in very specific situations, especially if there is some sort of group dynamic involved. And no, this is not an excuse, just something one should keep in mind.

Anyway, I don't mind how they portrayed Castle's role in the torture and killing of prisoners mostly because in the end Castle himself rejects the notion that he was just following orders and declares himself being guilty. That is the note the show left on, and I approve. We can understand why people react in such a way in such situations, but that doesn't mean that they aren't guilty.

The gun control episode on the other hand....that is basically a high budget NRA propaganda video.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86539: May 13th 2018 at 11:43:53 PM

I'm actually legitimately curious what happened there.

This song needs more love.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86540: May 14th 2018 at 4:18:08 AM

[up][up][up] Milgram didn’t even run proper controls. The authority figure often deviated from the script, and the sample size was quite small. He didn’t have volunteers of many races (I can’t find any evidence that any of his volunteers were non-white), he ran all his experiments at Yale using locals, the volunteers were self-selected (people who replied to a newspaper ad) and the famous 65% number? That came from a sample size of 40 men. And again, from a non-standard script which was supposed to be focused on neutral authority, but which was often implemented with variations which more closely resemble coercion and bullying. Which is not the same thing.

How significant a study is depends on how closely the variables are controlled and how wide/deep the study goes in its number of participants and demographic spread. If the 65% Milgram experiment shows anything, it’s only about white men aged 20-50 in New Haven, Connecticut in the 1960s.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86541: May 14th 2018 at 4:37:09 AM

[up] Yes, and all those problems have to be considered, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't dismiss the results outright.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#86542: May 14th 2018 at 6:40:19 AM

That sounds more like dismissing the problems outright without any consideration.

edited 14th May '18 6:41:28 AM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86543: May 14th 2018 at 6:57:57 AM

[up] It's not. As a reminder, my main point was that this isn't the only experiment which was made regarding such issues. So you can dismiss the numbers themselves on the grounds of the various problems, but you can't really dismiss the issue it tries to explore.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86544: May 14th 2018 at 12:02:55 PM

So, good news, Agents of SHIELD has been renewed for a Season 6 to consist of 13 episodes.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86545: May 14th 2018 at 12:56:54 PM

YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!!

Because I can't really handle another cancellation after the most recent "I'm a Marvel, I'm DC".....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgqWHF1X5Kk

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#86546: May 14th 2018 at 4:41:57 PM

[up]

Wow...that was...kinda sad.

I mean, I hope whatever crazy plan Deadpool and Rosarch (sp) have in store works, but seeing the DC guys just admit defeat brought a tear to my eyes.

I'll say this much for that dude: he has a great respect for all the characters. I've believed that ever since that one Marvel / DC video that addressed the Superman is way too powerful and I can't relate to him argument that everyone and their mother churns out.

One Strip! One Strip!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86547: May 14th 2018 at 7:58:11 PM

How Avengers 4 will end.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#86548: May 14th 2018 at 8:00:28 PM

He was too tricky for his own good.

This song needs more love.
Blurring One just might from one hill away to the regular Bigfoot jungle. Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
One just might
#86549: May 14th 2018 at 8:11:37 PM

[up][up]They arrest the cosplayer for reasons not related to Infinity War, right? I can't find a news in English.

edited 14th May '18 8:12:58 PM by Blurring

If a chicken crosses the road and nobody else is around to see it, does the road move beneath the chicken instead?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86550: May 14th 2018 at 8:40:01 PM

Thanos is a known associate of Sasuke.


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