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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86451: May 13th 2018 at 9:49:18 AM

Call me crazy, but the Netflix show I have rewatched the most is actually Ironfist. Partly because it is easier to rewatch that Jessica Jones Season 1 (and I certainly like it better than Season 2), partly because it doesn't feature the rampart sexism of Daredevil, and partly because I actually connect to the themes of Iron Fist the most. And that doesn't mean I am blind for the flaws of the first season, I am really not...but the moment when the show goes all out are so much fun. From hatched swinging criminals to "Taaaaake on me...." to death by ice cream scoop, there is just something about it I absolutely enjoy and which the other Netflix shows don't offer.

Runaways....either it improves in season 2, or it ends up on the bottom of the pile above Inhumans. I have no patience for this kind of dragged out storytelling. Plus, as bad as the fight scene in Iron Fist were, they were still head and shoulders over what passes in Runaway as an action scene.

[up] Yeah, I liked The Punisher more than I expected to, but if there is one episode which I hate more than anything else in the whole netflix verse, it is the gun control episode. Which is a shame, because it should be the best, but the fact that it is basically pro-gun propaganda really ruins what would otherwise be an engaging episode.

edited 13th May '18 9:50:45 AM by Swanpride

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#86452: May 13th 2018 at 9:50:45 AM

My problem with the bit I did manage to watch was that it was treating the war criminals like they were decent people and on some level heroes, only the guys in charge were truly evil, that’s a higher tolerance for war criminals than I’m comfortable with, though I understand that it’s very much reflective of public opinion in the US.

The PTSD thing, I guess I just had trouble feeling bad that a bunch of war criminals have PTSD, it’s be like a show asking me to sympathise with Imperial Japanese soldiers who got PTSD from committing mass rape in China. The little bit of the show I did watch, the people I genuinely felt for were the Afghans.

That and I’m tired of US media constantly acting like PTSD is something only vets get, though that’s tied to my real life more than anything.

edited 13th May '18 9:52:02 AM by Silasw

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#86453: May 13th 2018 at 9:51:33 AM

partly because it doesn't feature the rampart sexism of Daredevil

Yeah, because it features instead the rampant sexism of Iron Fist. One of the few things I can give it over some of the other Netflix shows (bar Luke Cage) is that it actually feels more comic book in some parts, but it's only decent when the spotlight isn't surrounding Danny.

My problem with the bit I did manage to watch was that it was treating the war criminals like they were decent people and on some level heroes, only the guys in charge were truly evil, that’s a higher tolerance for war criminals than I’m comfortable with, though I understand that it’s very much reflective of public opinion in the US. The PTSD thing, I guess I just had trouble feeling bad that a bunch of war criminals have PTSD, it’s be like a show asking me to sympathise with Imperial Japanese soldiers who got PTSD from committing mass rape in China. The little bit of the show I did watch, the people I genuinely felt for were the Afghans. That and I’m tired of US media cosntnstly acting like PTSD is something only vets get, though that’s tied to my real life more than anything.

Hmm...that's a completely understandable opinion, no harm there.

edited 13th May '18 9:52:32 AM by AdricDePsycho

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#86454: May 13th 2018 at 9:55:55 AM

It made more sense to me that the Runaways take some time to run away.

In the comics they get a convenient magic book that tells them everything about the Pride. In the show we get to see the various ways they look for information. Easier to do that in the inside when your parents don't know that you know

It may also help that runaways refers to the victims of the Pride in addition to the main characters. The season builds up to the point where they have no choice but to run after going back and forth on thinking maybe this is all a misunderstanding maybe we can rebuild our relationships to our parents

It helps that I binged it probably

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#86455: May 13th 2018 at 9:58:02 AM

Yeah I think that might've helped, because I was watching it as it was coming out. This is so not the kind of show that had to be aired weekly.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86456: May 13th 2018 at 10:00:32 AM

[up][up] Probably. I am not opposed for them taking a little bit more time to actually run away...I am opposed to them waiting the whole season to do so. Plus, I just felt let down. The premise of the show was "children find out their parents are supervillains" which sounded so cool. Instead I got "children find out their parents are a bunch of idiots who are in over their head in something very shady", which is just boring to me. I don't WANT to care about the stupid parents. I wanted children having to deal with the knowledge that their parents are utterly unredeemable.

edited 13th May '18 10:00:46 AM by Swanpride

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#86457: May 13th 2018 at 10:05:08 AM

On the subject of Old Lace, at least she had feathers (unlike in the comics), but she still wasn't very accurate This is closer to what she'd really look like.

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#86458: May 13th 2018 at 10:07:22 AM

Their parents weren't even really supervillains in the comic so the premise was misrepresented to you

Their parents were a murder conspiracy kludged together from various comic booky supervillanous tropes that were then underutilized

They mostly never behaved in a way that fits the label supervillain rather than just run of the mill horrible person

They don't fight superheroes, engage in capers, wear costumes or use code names for the most part. Their villainy was regular power broking in a way that does not require supervillains to do because the Wilders managed to do it

The real premise is "what if some kids discovered that their parents are in a murder cult and also each come from a different genre for some reason that's supposedly important but not really"

I don't think they were even entirely irredeemable in the comic but it's hard to tell because they were barely characterized

[up] She'd look like cunning bastards?

edited 13th May '18 10:09:39 AM by Bocaj

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#86459: May 13th 2018 at 11:10:41 AM

Chadwick Boseman sits down with the cast of Cloak and Dagger.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86460: May 13th 2018 at 11:15:40 AM

Is it just me or is Marvel TV REALLY proud of Cloak and Dagger? They do much more promotion for it than for Runaways, and the kind of promotion they do is more...bragging....

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86461: May 13th 2018 at 11:20:50 AM

Maybe Freeform or whatever allocated a bigger advertising budget

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86463: May 13th 2018 at 12:59:23 PM

Well, it is official when the final numbers are in, but if anything they will be higher than the estimates....For now, Infinity war is on place 5 of the highest grossing movies of all time. It's directly behind Jurassic World now (which get past it by the end of the week), and has the 2 billion mark in front of it.

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#86464: May 13th 2018 at 1:00:17 PM

And Avengers four will have to beat those records

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86465: May 13th 2018 at 1:01:15 PM

I wonder where they'd all end up when corrected for inflation.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86466: May 13th 2018 at 1:04:18 PM

You can't correct for inflation internationally. Domestically....well, there the original Avengers is still the highest grossing superhero movie of all time, followed by Black Panther. They are 29 and 30 on the list.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#86467: May 13th 2018 at 1:05:40 PM

Needs to be said.

Inhumans has no sympathetic characters.

There all terrible people who need to die in a fire.

Know what, I won't except a single good thing about Inhumans because there is nothing good or decent about it & don't nobody say Lockjaw.

edited 13th May '18 1:06:09 PM by slimcoder

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86468: May 13th 2018 at 1:06:25 PM

Correcting global numbers for inflation would be very difficult - and a bit pointless, since global numbers today still wouldn't really be comparable to those a decade ago, given the meteoric rise of the Chinese box office.

In domestic inflation-adjusted numbers, IW could end up anywhere from the highest-grossing superhero movie to the third-highest. Avengers has $704 million inflation-adjusted, and Black Panther currently has $695 million, so all three could end up with very similar grosses.

EDIT: On the topic of the Marvel shows, is Season 2 of Jessica Jones worth watching? I've heard a lot of criticism of it, but I don't know if that means "doesn't equal the first season, but still pretty good" or "outright bad".

edited 13th May '18 1:07:43 PM by Galadriel

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86469: May 13th 2018 at 1:14:26 PM

[up] I hated it. But not everyone shares my opinion.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86470: May 13th 2018 at 1:15:14 PM

Can you tell me anything about why you hated it without major spoilers?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#86471: May 13th 2018 at 1:20:29 PM

I found season 2 as enjoyable as the first season, though my reasons for it are also in the minority.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86472: May 13th 2018 at 1:21:33 PM

[up][up] Not really....other than I felt they reconned too much from season one, ruining characters I really liked in the process.

edited 13th May '18 1:21:44 PM by Swanpride

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#86473: May 13th 2018 at 1:22:53 PM

Honestly I'd suggest watching it for yourself to get an opinion on it but I was pretty mixed on it.

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#86474: May 13th 2018 at 2:11:19 PM

Inhumans has no sympathetic characters.

The villain was initaly sympathetic, the oppressed people of the inhuman kingdom who were forced into slavery by their racist overlords, I found them sympathetic, some of the human characters were sympathetic.

None of the protagonists outside the one human were sympathetic, but that’s still better than Punisher. Plus the show still ends with their slavery system destroyed, which is a good thing.

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#86475: May 13th 2018 at 2:32:24 PM

I barely remember Inhumans ending with the slave system being destroyed. I vaguely recall them acting like they wanted to change it but I don't recall it ending at all. Maybe it did and my mind was numbed by the collective awfulness of the show but I don't remember that being how it ended.

I still find Frank a lot more sympathetic than Black Bolt. Or hell, say what you want about The Punisher but Karnak is probably the single most unsympathetic "heroic" character in the entire MCU. Karnak just disgusts me that much, he's an outright loathsome, villainous character who the show pretends is somehow moral despite his blatant evil actions.

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