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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#86251: May 6th 2018 at 6:13:49 PM

Yeah, as Elders go, "Guy who cultivates life in the universe" makes more sense than "Guy who obsessively desires to own all the things" or "Patron god of compulsive gambling".

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#86252: May 6th 2018 at 6:22:14 PM

And there's one guy who just... runs around?

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#86253: May 6th 2018 at 6:35:28 PM

Gotta go fast

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#86254: May 6th 2018 at 6:52:16 PM

Guy who collects all the shiny Pokemon cards.

edited 6th May '18 6:53:03 PM by Nightwire

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86255: May 6th 2018 at 8:11:05 PM

Anyway the worst Elder is the Stranger

He wears a picture of his own mustache on his shirt

His only redeeming quality is that he's secretly a million small people formed into a giant man

However he is indirectly responsible for Toad's "Entitled to Wanda's love" stints as the Toad King so there's no redeeming him

edited 6th May '18 8:18:27 PM by Bocaj

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#86256: May 6th 2018 at 8:17:12 PM

[up] . . . Agree. To think that guy was going to be a Bigger Bad for the X-Men.

Eldritcho Since: Nov, 2016
#86257: May 6th 2018 at 11:10:05 PM

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Let's cut him a bit of slack; after all, he did create Ego the Living Planet.

[down]

Sweet. Looks tight.

edited 7th May '18 4:15:53 PM by Eldritcho

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#86258: May 7th 2018 at 7:10:05 AM

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#86259: May 7th 2018 at 9:18:39 AM

So. Idle thought: Dr. Strange.

One thing I've talked about in the past with the Doctor Strange film was that I really wish they’d set Strange’s crippling in phase 1. They should have had the early scenes of him getting his hands broken and seeking out Kamar-Taj take place before the Battle of New York changed the world.

There’s a lot of speculation that the Air Force guy whose spine was broken that Strange turned down a chance to operate on was Rhodey in Civil War. It should have been one of Justin Hammer’s test subjects from Iron Man 2.

What this would do, is it would provide Strange with several years for his montage to take place in, making his role in the rest of the film much more reasonable by letting him become an experienced practitioner instead of a startlingly talented new guy.

After seeing Ragnarok and Infinity War, I maintain that this should have been the angle, because both of those films use a version of Strange that is closer to how he is in the comics than in his origin film. The Strange that we’ve seen in his last two appearances is clearly an expert practitioner, highly trained and experienced with no question as to his qualification to be the Sorcerer Supreme. He carries himself with a professionalism and mastery of his craft that feels appropriate to the character, but unearned by his actual film.

edited 7th May '18 9:19:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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#86260: May 7th 2018 at 9:22:03 AM

There’s a lot of speculation that the Air Force guy whose spine was broken that Strange turned down a chance to operate on was Rhodey in Civil War. It should have been one of Justin Hammer’s test subjects from Iron Man 2.

I recall Word of God said it WAS the latter and not Rhodey, but the movie itself gives no clue as to when it takes place in the MCU timeline. I guess Wong mentions the Avengers once and that’s it.

edited 7th May '18 9:23:33 AM by Tuckerscreator

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#86261: May 7th 2018 at 9:35:49 AM

Yeah, the Doctor Strange timeline is pretty open-ended. All we really know is that Strange spends enough time learning magic that he's able to hold his own, but not so much that he's able to match people like Wong who have been doing it for decades. The only real hint we have is his ex-girlfriend's reaction to seeing him when he teleports back into the hospital — she's surprised, but not completely out of her mind, which suggest that he probably hasn't been missing years... but that's just a guess, really.

There's also no indication about the time gap between the end of Doctor Strange and the beginning of Thor: Ragnarok, so it's possible that all of Doctor Strange takes place during Phase One and he spent the intervening years honing his skills and guarding the New York sanctum.

edited 7th May '18 9:37:08 AM by NativeJovian

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#86262: May 7th 2018 at 9:40:20 AM

If you wanted to lazily justify it, you could argue that Strange took a convenient opportunity to level grind. During Infinity War.

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#86264: May 7th 2018 at 9:45:50 AM

The one thing I'm unsure of is Sitwell mentioning Strange in Winter Soldier as one of the targets of Project Insight. I'm not sure if they're targeting Stephen Strange the surgeon or Stephen Strange the wizard.

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#86265: May 7th 2018 at 9:47:58 AM

My theory

Once while Dr Strange, surgeon supreme, was giving an interview about some surgery he had done, he turned to the camera and said apropos of nothing "Also Nazis really suck and neo-Nazis also really suck and fascists really, really suck. If there was a secret fascist conspiracy at the heart of the US government, I would punch it in the face."

And Hydra is like "You wot, mate?"

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#86266: May 7th 2018 at 9:51:55 AM

I accept that theory.

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#86268: May 7th 2018 at 9:55:33 AM

I figured they were just targeting him because he's a brilliant neurosurgeon. Fascists despise the intelligent. Their ability to control a regime depends on keeping the people too uneducated to find fault in the controls placed on them.

An anti-intellectual cultural swing is a typical sign of a descent into fascism, authoritarianism, or other oppressive systems that depend on neutralizing or suppressing anyone smart enough to question the Official Narrative. Those who seek a regime of dominance and control always turn against the intellectual community.

edited 7th May '18 9:56:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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#86269: May 7th 2018 at 11:09:38 AM

[up][up][up][up]So that's why they specifically broke his hands by engineering a car accident. So he can't punch them in the face.

edited 7th May '18 11:09:59 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86270: May 7th 2018 at 11:24:43 AM

Cunning bastards

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86271: May 7th 2018 at 3:00:40 PM

Nazis are notoriously scared of surgeons. They have scalpels and stuff.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#86272: May 7th 2018 at 3:58:08 PM

I keep wanting other characters to show up at Peter's school, like Shuri or Mantis. Mantis can try to pretend to be human, and fail miserably.

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#86273: May 7th 2018 at 4:20:30 PM

Would she wear a hat?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86274: May 7th 2018 at 4:20:47 PM

I kind of want Mantis to join the Avengers for a while. People always talk about the possibility of Avengers joining the Guardians, but that would be a fun one to do the other way around.

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#86275: May 7th 2018 at 4:23:14 PM

She was an Avenger originally in the comics

At the absolute last minute right before she went off into space with her tree husband even though she had been hanging around helping the Avengers and sleeping st their house the whole time

Right before she left them they declared her an honorary Avenger

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