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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#86226: May 6th 2018 at 10:05:35 AM

I feel like the obvious answer for how Valkyrie can be old enough to remember Hela is that Valkyrie is old enough to remember Hela.

The existence of one Asgardian who quit the field and never returned to Asgard does not in any way contradict the idea that nobody who did live in Asgard knows about Hela. It requires only for her to be older than Thor and Loki but younger than Odin, which is not unreasonable.

edited 6th May '18 10:06:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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#86227: May 6th 2018 at 10:47:15 AM

I believe Valkyrie mentions that her ill-fated battle against Hela was one of the latter's attempts to escape. It's entirely possible that she has tried to escape imprisonment during Thor and Loki's lifetime, with Odin just quietly sweeping it under the rug each time.

"Oh, uh, I've officially disbanded the Valkyrie Legion following a complaint about... just a complaint."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#86228: May 6th 2018 at 10:55:27 AM

Does anyone even care about any Elders of the universe that aren't the Collector, the Grandmaster, Ego (honorary member) or the Champion?

Two questions:

1) Who are the other Elders of the Universe (didn't know the Champion was one. He was that dude who challenged all of the strongest heroes on Earth to a boxing match, and spared it when a certain ever loving blue eyed rock man just refused to give up if I recall...Dial M For Monkey did I parody of it with Randy Savage as the main villain)?

2) Do you?

edited 6th May '18 10:55:46 AM by HandsomeRob

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#86229: May 6th 2018 at 11:03:26 AM

Thanks. Those answers/handwaves make sense.

Also, Tobias, I love that dialogue you imagined between Thor, Odin and young, blue Loki. Especially the racial slur joke.

Really liked that Ragnorak included that detail which I had assumed had been retconned/forgotten. Although it's definitely partly Rule of Funny, I do find it interesting and revealing that during his "reign" as Odin, Loki's propaganda play acknowledges that he is/was a Frost Giant, and seemingly is about him being a Tragic Villain and making a Heroic Sacrifice. Although he's admittedly limited by a need to maintain a masquerade, it is interesting to me that even in his fantasy, he's still the villain and loser (in both senses).

edited 6th May '18 11:03:55 AM by Hodor2

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#86230: May 6th 2018 at 11:23:55 AM

I note both Thor and Loki speak of the Valkyrie in the past tense (“until I found out they were all women”, “I thought the Valkyrie all died gruesome deaths”), which to me sounds like they weren’t active in their own lifetimes.

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#86231: May 6th 2018 at 11:29:36 AM

Dammit you caught me

I think the Trader is interesting and wouldn't mind seeing more of him!

The Promoter was great!

And if there isn't an Elder whose obsession is reading all the things there needs to be!

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#86232: May 6th 2018 at 11:36:14 AM

(Galactus)

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86233: May 6th 2018 at 12:27:26 PM

I think Galactus is ironically too old to be an Elder and he doesn't really have an obsession aside from not starving to death which I don't think counts

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Eldritcho Since: Nov, 2016
#86234: May 6th 2018 at 12:52:53 PM

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No, Galactus is older than the Eldar, and thus isn't invited to their parties.

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#86235: May 6th 2018 at 1:42:57 PM

To Rob (86222) :

Luckily, I've got my copy of Thanos Quest at hand. We've got : the In-Betweener (not sure about this one, however, he's not explicitly called an Elder in there), the Champion, the Gardener, the Collector, the Runner, and the Grandmaster.

edited 6th May '18 1:43:24 PM by purplefishman

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#86236: May 6th 2018 at 1:46:17 PM

> No, Galactus is older than the Eldar, and thus isn't invited to their parties.

their parties are LAME anyway

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#86237: May 6th 2018 at 2:25:11 PM

The Elders actually plotted to kill Galactus once because they were jealous that he was elder than all of them

Also Collector's daughter Carina was an Elder but it's not clear what her obsession thing was so in going to call her the Daddy's Girl because her most apparent characterization was that her life revolved around first her dad and then Korvac

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edited 6th May '18 2:27:50 PM by Bocaj

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#86239: May 6th 2018 at 4:37:01 PM

Luckily, I've got my copy of Thanos Quest at hand. We've got : the In-Betweener (not sure about this one, however, he's not explicitly called an Elder in there), the Champion, the Gardener, the Collector, the Runner, and the Grandmaster.

No...no no no, there is not a Gardener. No one is that silly as to name an Elder of the Universe THE GARDENER.

I cal shenanigans. BULLSHIT SHENANIGANS!!!

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#86240: May 6th 2018 at 5:01:04 PM

There is a Gardener. Groot once beat him out of a hypnotic state, and he thanked Groot by making him a hulking giant capable of actual speech.

edited 6th May '18 5:01:39 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#86241: May 6th 2018 at 5:02:22 PM

His obsession is cultivating plant life

He once killed the Vision with some vines in a What If

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#86242: May 6th 2018 at 5:08:26 PM

I... feel like I'm being trolled.

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#86243: May 6th 2018 at 5:11:39 PM

Jeez how many times does the Vision die?

This song needs more love.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#86244: May 6th 2018 at 5:11:43 PM

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I agree...but...

<Checks>

...

Are you fracking kidding me?

edited 6th May '18 5:11:54 PM by HandsomeRob

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#86245: May 6th 2018 at 5:12:40 PM

Have you heard of a The Pardoner?

They're capable of pardoning anyone no matter no heinous,Tony Stark once tried to get a Pardon but was denied

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#86246: May 6th 2018 at 5:15:26 PM

[up]

I like that last part so much that I'm not even gonna bother to check if it's real or not.

I'm just glad someone understands that everything (that isn't the fault of Peter Quill) is the fault of Tony Stark.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86247: May 6th 2018 at 5:19:19 PM

Honestly, The Gardener's not that odd. What else would you call an ancient being fixated on cultivating plantlife?

Kinda like the creator-god of Xenoblade 2 being called The Architect.

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#86249: May 6th 2018 at 5:44:31 PM

Reminder that we live in a universe where somebody thought Combo Man was a good idea.

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#86250: May 6th 2018 at 5:49:51 PM

The sequence Thanos goes after The Gardener is also by far the most heartfelt and dramatically charged of the entire Thanos Quest so I'm willing to cut the character some slack for a silly name when he gets the best scene of the comic and a absolutely beautiful and poetic relationship with Thanos.

edited 6th May '18 5:50:08 PM by Gaon

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