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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86201: May 6th 2018 at 12:06:33 AM

I wouldn't take the "give or take" line too serious. Loki was flippant and if you actually do the math, it doesn't add up particularly well. Especially not if you consider human history, because than humans would have worshipped Thor and Loki long before they were even born. Thor mentions his age in Infinity War, btw. I have forgotten what it was, though. And there is always the question if an Asgardian year equals a human year.

I really want another Doctor Strange movie, btw.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86202: May 6th 2018 at 12:29:34 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Thor gave his age as 15,000.

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#86203: May 6th 2018 at 12:40:47 AM

Actually, he says 1,500. Fifteen hundred, not fifteen thousand.

[up][up]Well, supposedly it'll take place in the Dream Dimension, so that's cool.

edited 6th May '18 12:41:58 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86204: May 6th 2018 at 12:44:41 AM

Ah, my bad.

Though that seems on the young side...

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86205: May 6th 2018 at 1:22:29 AM

Well, Thor is pretty young for Asgardian standards. Odin got him late in live.....

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#86206: May 6th 2018 at 1:31:26 AM

If you think about it, as long as Asgardian lifespans are, the MCU has been a VERY rough decade for Thor.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86207: May 6th 2018 at 6:12:18 AM

As for how Norse mythology exists that's older than Thor?

Perhaps prophecies like with the Ragnarok thing

Or perhaps just a plot hole

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#86208: May 6th 2018 at 6:14:30 AM

Norse mythology dates to approximately 750-1100 CE/AD.

That’s 900-1,250 years ago. During that period, Thor would have been 250-600 years old (14-17 years old in our measurements).

HOWEVER, there’s a problem. Odin acquired baby Loki in 965 CE/AD according to the Thor prologue showing the war with Jotunheim. Loki and Thor have consistently been depicted as the same/similar age. So that would make Thor a baby in 965 AD/CE, and only slightly over 1,000 years old.

...dammit, MCU! Fix your timelines!

edited 6th May '18 6:16:20 AM by wisewillow

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86209: May 6th 2018 at 6:30:05 AM

Perhaps he spend 500 years as a toddler.....

Nah, I'll just go with Asgardian years being different from earth years.

edited 6th May '18 6:30:37 AM by Swanpride

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#86210: May 6th 2018 at 6:36:34 AM

Maybe Thor is actually way older than Loki, and that one flashback scene happened to coincide with a time where the two looked about the same age.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86211: May 6th 2018 at 6:47:42 AM

Jotuns and Asgardians might age differently

It'd be darkly amusing to me if there were tons of signs that Loki was adopted that just went right over Loki and Thor's heads

Like a super weird puberty for Loki or something

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#86212: May 6th 2018 at 7:01:26 AM

  • Thor: Brother! Your skin is as blue as a well-beaten minority in our glorious and most surely racially sensitive culture! What has happened to you?!
  • Loki: I know not, my brother! When I sneeze, the room around me becomes encased in ice.
  • Thor: This is a most terrible affliction you have succumbed!
  • Odin: (scoops up Loki) IT'S FINE NOTHING'S WRONG I'M FIXING IT
  • Thor: Father! What terrible curse has befallen Loki?!
  • Odin: It's, uh...this is...Icicle Pox.
  • Thor: Icicle Pox.
  • Odin: Yes. Not too troublesome, but very contagious. I'll have to quarantine Loki until he's better! (scurries off)
  • Thor: sad Brother....
  • Anna: Don't worry. My sister had Icicle Pox last month. He'll be fine.

edited 6th May '18 10:00:45 AM by TobiasDrake

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86213: May 6th 2018 at 7:59:17 AM

[tup]

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#86214: May 6th 2018 at 8:20:41 AM

Then we cut to Loki in The Avengers as the Chitauri invade, screaming the lyrics to Let it Go.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#86215: May 6th 2018 at 8:31:57 AM

You know, I would like to see Thor remenbering other conversations with is dad and thinking that maybe there was other times when he hide the truth ot lie to him.

.....damit it, I want a asgard sitcom now.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#86216: May 6th 2018 at 8:34:33 AM

Do you want to fight a snow man.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86217: May 6th 2018 at 8:37:15 AM

Well, there are already a bunch of vids pairing Loki with Frozen songs....

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#86218: May 6th 2018 at 8:40:30 AM

Black Panther is the first superhero movie to spend 12 weekends in the top 10[1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86219: May 6th 2018 at 9:00:20 AM

And Infinity War has officially jumped the billion mark. According to current estimates, it is now the 15th highest grossing movie of all time (and remember, still not started in china). Estimated drop is 56.4%, which is to be expected (most of it is the Friday drop, from Saturday to Saturday and Sunday to Sunday the drop is somewhere between 43 and 50%

Meanwhile Black Panther has jumped The Last Jedi and is now attacking deathly Hallows.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86220: May 6th 2018 at 9:05:41 AM

Truly this is the Marvel age of movies

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86221: May 6th 2018 at 9:20:01 AM

It's above the age of Disney movies. There is no way that they won't set a record this year...we all know that Wreck-it Ralph 2 and The incredibles 2 will bring in a lot of money, regardless of quality (and even more money if they deliver quality), Mary Poppins will too, based on how much money other Disney remakes did, Ant-man will certainly do well enough as will Solo, and then there are a few wild cards in the game (still think that The Nutcracker could do very well if the movie is any good, especially internationally, and Christopher Robin should hit the right nostalgia note).

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#86222: May 6th 2018 at 9:20:30 AM

RE the Thor/Asgardian chronology, I was kind of confused by the detail that Valkyrie had fought against Hela and loss, especially in conjunction with the idea that no one currently alive remembered either Hela's existence or Odin's conquering past.

So, is Valkyrie a lot older than Thor and Loki and somehow looks a lot younger than her actual age by both human and Asgardian standards?

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#86223: May 6th 2018 at 9:22:08 AM

That one can be explained by wormhole-portal shenanigans. After all, Loki fell out of the Bifrost like 30 seconds before Thor did, but landed like two weeks sooner. Presumably Valkyrie got stuck in a portal for considerably longer than that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86224: May 6th 2018 at 9:23:05 AM

[up][up] Time on Sakar works differently. Not that the way it works makes any lick of sense because apparently you can spend more time there while aging slower.....

edited 6th May '18 9:23:19 AM by Swanpride

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#86225: May 6th 2018 at 9:38:45 AM

B-because the old thing Stan Lee used to write that it was the marvel age of comics

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