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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#86151: May 5th 2018 at 5:25:39 PM

[up][up][up]I will said is more flawed becuase the movie clearly try to matter in the MCU, as something I leann with Bv S and other movie verses is that if your movie is more ambitious than usual, them whatever flaw it haves hit the hardest.

and Ao U is pretty damn flawed.

edit: damn it! I hate when the thread move so far.

Anyway, im actually looking for a Doctor Strange sequel, so far him in ragnarok and IW let me finding with more.

edited 5th May '18 5:27:13 PM by unknowing

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#86152: May 5th 2018 at 5:25:45 PM

I'm so excited for both Ant-Man and The Wasp and Captain Marvel, I can't wait.

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#86153: May 5th 2018 at 5:26:32 PM

I didn’t care too much for the first Ant-Man; didn’t dislike it or anything, just wasn’t my cup of tea. So I’ll probably just read the spoilers and watch it later when it’s out on home release.

Captain Marvel on the other hand, day 1 baby.

edited 5th May '18 5:27:01 PM by TheAirman

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#86154: May 5th 2018 at 5:26:38 PM

Anyways, my opinion on who was right in Civil War is....[lol]

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#86155: May 5th 2018 at 5:27:09 PM

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#86156: May 5th 2018 at 5:27:13 PM

Ant-Man and the Wasp looks like fun, though I'm not expecting anything earthshattering. Still, maybe it will surprise me.

Captain Marvel...it's honestly hard to judge without seeing a trailer. I'm very much excited, though also a little nervous.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86157: May 5th 2018 at 5:27:56 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Ant-Man and Doctor Strange are two movies that I view as completely serviceable but also nothing I haven't seen a billion times already. Though I suppose that's a problem with origin movies in general. They usually follow the same basic beats.

It's telling that I enjoyed Strange way more as an ensemble player in Infinity War.

edited 5th May '18 5:28:23 PM by comicwriter

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86158: May 5th 2018 at 5:27:58 PM

frankly I really don't think it says a lot about the MCU that their worst films are "serviceable". A lot of films can be considered serviceable, they're still not good

I would say it's the key to the MCU's success. They're the only superhero franchise who haven't had anything that screwed up to the point of alienating fans of the franchise, in contrast to X Men The Last Stand, X Men Origins Wolverine, Spider Man 3, The Amazing Spider Man 2 and Batman v. Superman.

They have relatively few movies, in my opinion, that stand out as geneuinely good: Winter Soldier, maybe Civil War, maybe Iron Man depending on your perspective, and Black Panther. But they have a lot that are decently entertaining, and the remainder are below-average but not terrible (in the latter category I'd put Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Age of Ultron, and probably Ant-Man and Doctor Strange). But they don't have anything that's a complete disaster in either critical or commercial terms.

In superhero cinematic universes, it looks like part of the key to success is to avoid alienating the audience so badly that you need a reboot.

edited 5th May '18 5:28:41 PM by Galadriel

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#86159: May 5th 2018 at 5:27:58 PM

I’m tentatively excited for Captain Marvel. I don’t know the team working on it, whereas I knew about Ryan Coogler’s track record and we had already been introduced to Black Panther in Civil War.

Still salty it’ll be 20 male lead movies before our first female lead though.

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#86160: May 5th 2018 at 5:29:30 PM

[up]If you ever get a chance, Half Nelson is great. And hey, pre-Falcon Anthony Mackie is in it. Ain't that a coincidence.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86161: May 5th 2018 at 5:29:41 PM

Really, to be equitable the next 20 movies should all have female leads. :D

edited 5th May '18 5:29:55 PM by Galadriel

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#86162: May 5th 2018 at 5:30:09 PM

I'd say Ant-Man and The Wasp is co-led by a woman.

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#86163: May 5th 2018 at 5:31:46 PM

I feel mostly indifferent to Captain Marvel. I can appreciate why people may be excited for it, but I don't have a particular connection to the character and while finally getting a female protagonist is great, it would have been nice to get a Wo C-led film instead.

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#86164: May 5th 2018 at 5:32:44 PM

A lot of Marvel's most famous heroines are part of teams, I think - I don't know how many are naturally suited for solo properties. Not to say they couldn't work, of course, but it'd take some adjusting.

Only one other than Carol I can think of is She-Hulk, and I'm guessing that she has similar rights issues to the Hulk.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#86165: May 5th 2018 at 5:33:40 PM

"It's telling that I enjoyed Strange way more as an ensemble player in Infinity War. " That seen to be general consesus: that he is more Doctor strange in other movies than on is own.

Galadriel: Yeah I agree with you, if anything their biggest critism is that at heart they have very "safe" in general.

I wonder how much origin story they are going to do a this point.

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#86166: May 5th 2018 at 5:33:48 PM

I don't give a shit about Carol Danvers, but I do want to see Ant-Man and The Wasp.

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#86167: May 5th 2018 at 5:34:01 PM

I'm meh on Carol as a comic character and I haven't seen enough about the movie to really give me a strong impression one way or another (although certain choices, like bringing Coulson and Fury back, the idea of it being a 90s throwback, and incorporating Mar-Vell into it do earn a thumbs up from me). The sooner it gets done so we can have a Kamala movie the better.

As for Ant-Man and the Wasp, granted it's just trailers which aren't the most representative, but I rather enjoyed the first film, and the trailers are showcasing that the sequel will have a lot of what I liked about it, but more and a wider array of it. So I'm pretty excited. It's probably not going to be amazing but a comfortable success in a niche that I've already found myself to be a fan of.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86168: May 5th 2018 at 5:34:06 PM

In superhero cinematic universes, it looks like part of the key to success is to avoid alienating the audience so badly that you need a reboot.

That is a major reason why DC's been struggling so badly. WB has a reputation as a creator-friendly studio that allows directors a lot more leeway than most of Hollywood, so they wanted to keep that as part of the DCEU, thinking it'd lead to another massive "prestige" hit like Nolan's Batman movies. However, they then decided to put this in a shared universe, not realizing that the strict oversight Marvel employs at least guarantees a certain base level of quality the audience can expect. It's why they've had mediocre and formulaic movies and some that were less successful than others, but nothing nearly as panned and nearly franchise-killing as Batman v. Superman.

A lot of Marvel's most famous heroines are part of teams, I think - I don't know how many are naturally suited for solo properties. Not to say they couldn't work, of course, but it'd take some adjusting. Only one other than Carol I can think of is She-Hulk, and I'm guessing that she has similar rights issues to the Hulk.

They also have Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman as well, but yes. Though it's not strictly women either. Marvel's quickly running out of characters who are bankable leads in the comics, so they're gonna have to start looking at ensemble players eventually. Rogue, Storm and characters like Dazzler all have potential, IMO.

edited 5th May '18 5:36:47 PM by comicwriter

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#86169: May 5th 2018 at 5:34:16 PM

I am very excited for Captain Marvel, not just because of it being the first solely female-led MCU movie (though that is the main reason) but also to see Coulson in the movies again.

edited 5th May '18 5:35:38 PM by LordVatek

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#86170: May 5th 2018 at 5:37:01 PM

[up][up]On the other hand, it kinda let to something like Wonder woman, a solo movie and origin movie that was a hit, something that it took Black panther to do.

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#86171: May 5th 2018 at 5:39:57 PM

Was Bvs really a franchise killer if the franchise kept happening?

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#86172: May 5th 2018 at 5:40:40 PM

[up]I said nearly. Hence the studio hacking Justice League to shit in the editing bay and having a high-profile change in overall direction.

On the other hand, it kinda let to something like Wonder woman, a solo movie and origin movie that was a hit, something that it took Black panther to do.

I'm not sure what this means. Marvel had multiple hit origin films before Black Panther. The whole reason the franchise even exists is because Iron Man was a huge success back in 2008.

edited 5th May '18 5:43:09 PM by comicwriter

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#86173: May 5th 2018 at 5:41:24 PM

Ant-Man and the Wasp can go die in a fire. I have negative f*cks to give about that movie.

Super hyped for Captain Marvel, though. I really hope Marvel can knock this one out of the park, the way they did with Black Panther.

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#86174: May 5th 2018 at 5:46:03 PM

Look, it has Luis. That's all I need to know that I'm gonna like it.

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#86175: May 5th 2018 at 5:48:13 PM

[up][up][up]I mean a solo movie with so much sucess, so far Black panther is consider the best Solo movie: Iron man 1 is good, Thor is just Ok, nobody talk about Cap 1 and the rest have be introduce in another movies.

[up]While I like Luis, I dont not how I feel about him being the comic sidekick of such a boring chararter.

edited 5th May '18 5:49:36 PM by unknowing

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