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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86126: May 5th 2018 at 5:08:36 PM

I'm personally with Comicwriter and Ultimatum on this. As much as I dislike Whedon and always have, I still think Avengers remains a pretty good movie on its own merits and still very rewatchable from time to time. Age of Ultron zigzags in quality but is ultimately still worth watching for the strongest bits, although I'd rather watch a recut version of it that trims some of the most obviously less entertaining parts if I can help it.

edited 5th May '18 5:10:11 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86127: May 5th 2018 at 5:08:54 PM

[up][up]It proves that I don't care about the complaint of "it doesn't follow the three act structure!" which is why I said it.

edited 5th May '18 5:09:08 PM by comicwriter

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#86128: May 5th 2018 at 5:10:39 PM

On Age of Ultron's Darkest Hour, isn't that immediately after the fight in South Africa? Because I think that's closer to the middle of the second act than the start of it.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86129: May 5th 2018 at 5:11:05 PM

[up][up][up]

The high points are undermined to all hell by the low points. Why watch a pile of shit to find small diamonds inside?

[up][up]

That's just deflecting criticism and ignoring any points being made against it.

edited 5th May '18 5:11:43 PM by AdricDePsycho

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86130: May 5th 2018 at 5:11:43 PM

[up]I know. Hence "I don't care."

edited 5th May '18 5:12:24 PM by comicwriter

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86131: May 5th 2018 at 5:12:12 PM

Well stop that, it's not conducive to discussion.

edited 5th May '18 5:12:31 PM by AdricDePsycho

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86132: May 5th 2018 at 5:12:55 PM

Because while they're certainly not good I also don't think they're that bad, certainly not film-ruiningly so. A lot of the things you consider an absolute film-ruiner, many of us just don't, and I think it's fair to point that out. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm the kind of person who thinks Rogue One is worth watching because of the last act despite finding the first two thirds a snoozefest.

edited 5th May '18 5:14:34 PM by AlleyOop

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86133: May 5th 2018 at 5:14:03 PM

That, I can respect at least even if I heavily disagree.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86134: May 5th 2018 at 5:14:20 PM

[up][up][up]Nah I'm good.

edited 5th May '18 5:15:06 PM by comicwriter

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#86135: May 5th 2018 at 5:14:29 PM

"The discovery of the Ultron body in the Cradle, Widow's kidnapping, the Maximoff's defecting, they don't succeed in making anything feel darker than it already was. So the stakes mellow out rather than increase."

If anything Ultron competency drop faster than Sokovia the moment the twins swich sides: he lost the body, vision is create, Widow caputing is idiotic and is finally fight in sokovia consist of.....sending mooks(really, for someone like Wheedon, he should now how a cliche that is) and them we have the stupid helicarrier ex machina....

If anything, the movie make the twins waaaaaaay more dangerous than him.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#86136: May 5th 2018 at 5:14:34 PM

I think there's a bit too much hostility here for what ultimately amounts to a difference in opinion one whether Age of Ultron's flaws outshine its strengths.

edited 5th May '18 5:15:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86137: May 5th 2018 at 5:14:35 PM

I still love Age of Ultron and consider it the second-best MCU film (after Infinity War).

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86138: May 5th 2018 at 5:15:27 PM

[up][up]That's pretty much it. I'd have dropped it probably if people didn't immediately get aggressive about it.

edited 5th May '18 5:15:35 PM by comicwriter

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86139: May 5th 2018 at 5:16:15 PM

I think I'll continue. Let me put it like this, if the goal here has been to change my mind or something, sorry, but it's not taking.

That has never been my intent? None of this hostility here is warranted.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86140: May 5th 2018 at 5:16:51 PM

You've been, far and away, the most hostile person here.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86141: May 5th 2018 at 5:18:19 PM

[up][up]If I'm being snarky, it's because you've been very aggressive this entire time, over something as minor as me saying I think Age of Ultron is a decent movie.

edited 5th May '18 5:18:30 PM by comicwriter

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86142: May 5th 2018 at 5:20:08 PM

Debating about the quality of Age of Ultron here is like debating the Mandarin twist or who was right in Civil War. We've already done it to death, no more please.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86143: May 5th 2018 at 5:20:46 PM

I think everyone here needs to be careful about distinguishing between personal preference versus objective criticism.

I personally absolutely despise Age of Ultron. It actively makes me angry. This is because of both objective flaws and my own personal berserk buttons that make those objective flaws particularly offensive to me.

Whether Ultron’s structure “works” is both a subjective and objective issue, and I think one we need to move past.

If anyone wants to keep discussing Ao U, which honestly seems self-defeating at this point, resurrect the old Ultron thread. It’s overtaken this thread for almost 3 pages and it always goes poorly.

edited 5th May '18 5:22:51 PM by wisewillow

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#86144: May 5th 2018 at 5:21:41 PM

I suggest we all calm down a bit.

Adric, comicwriter, there's no need to be hostile about our opinions on Age of Ultron. There's not point to exacerbate things with snark - let's just agree to disagree and move on.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#86145: May 5th 2018 at 5:21:46 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, let just wait until IW become a public topic here so we have engage in endless fight about something else.evil grin

edited 5th May '18 5:22:26 PM by unknowing

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#86146: May 5th 2018 at 5:22:20 PM

Age of Ultron personally pisses me off because of the sheer disgusting sexism within it. If I'm coming off as too hostile, I genuinely apologize, but I do not appreciate being personally called out on this.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#86148: May 5th 2018 at 5:23:33 PM

For my money, I do think that Age of Ultron is fairly flawed. I wouldn't call it the worst of the MCU by any means, but I think it says something that I haven't rewatched it, even though I own it on DVD.

[up][up] Sorry, my bad.

edited 5th May '18 5:24:03 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86149: May 5th 2018 at 5:23:58 PM

So, moving on. I’m starting to get a little hyped about Ant-Man and the Wasp. I liked the new trailer.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#86150: May 5th 2018 at 5:25:06 PM

[up] Outside of wishing we got Ant Man and Wasp team up in the first film I'm looking forward to it.

edited 5th May '18 5:25:40 PM by Draghinazzo


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