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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#86026: May 1st 2018 at 2:00:19 PM

Marvel could probably move to four films a year now. One each quarter. We're seeing now that infinity war is causing a boost of people seing Black Panther in theatres. Four films a year would allow you to have them all overlap in that way. And they're suddenly going to be seeing a lot less competition from Fox and Warner Brother's (for different reasons)

Fox tends to have, what, two super heroe films a year? I guess Marvel could jump from a 3 to 5 annual slate, but I'm not sure if studios can expand that quickly.

Though a five film annual slate makes diverse properties more likely. With room for fifteen films in a phase you could give everyone a spin off and introduce the F4, and the X-Men, and give some Mutants solo films.

Though with that many films, you'd probably want a second team up franchise in addition to the Avengers. Perhaps a cosmic Annialators, with Carol, Nova, some of the Guardians and some of the F4 supporting casts.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#86027: May 1st 2018 at 3:04:18 PM

I think once the deal has gone through, four per year might be possible, but for now I think they will jump to permanently three per year. This is not just about the audience, it is also about resources. I am ready to bet that the visible flaws in the CGI for Black Panther was the result of Marvel's top team being busy with Infinity war.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#86028: May 1st 2018 at 3:06:55 PM

2-3 is fine. 4 is a bit too much.

Continue writing our story of peace.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86029: May 1st 2018 at 3:22:44 PM

I wonder if the punchline to the "comparing sizes" gag is going to be Hope growing to be 100 feet tall at some point in the movie.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86030: May 1st 2018 at 3:23:29 PM

Coyote Hope.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#86031: May 1st 2018 at 6:39:40 PM

I'm not sure that deleted scen showed us anything which wasn't already evident. However that was an amazing joint performance.

It makes clear W’Kabi's motivation more clear. In particular about Wakanda place in the world. Like, early in the movie he talked about conquering and what not, but here it makes clear it is about national pride. He feels humiliated about having to hide, which I don't think was evident in the final movie. It also solidify stuff that wasn't very well establish in the movie, like his relationship with Okoye.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86032: May 1st 2018 at 7:57:37 PM

It's not necessarily new information but it does help solidify his character further.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86033: May 1st 2018 at 8:29:23 PM

I think it makes him look unreasonable and willfully ignorant. He supports Killmonger over T'Challa because T'Challa failed to capture Klaue (and Killmonger succeeded), but Klaue only escaped from T'Challa because Killmonger rescued him from prison. And when Okoye starts to point that out, W'Kabi cuts her off and ignores her.

edited 1st May '18 8:29:52 PM by Galadriel

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#86034: May 1st 2018 at 9:31:36 PM

That line that he would've been just as mad if T'Challa handed Klaue over to the CIA or the UN is what clinches him as unsympathetic, imo. It makes it clear that he was largely fixated on getting payback on Klaue - not justice - and decided T'Challa needed to die and be replaced because he wouldn't drop everything he needed to do in order to deliver W'Kabi his personal satisfaction and vengeance.

It exposes his motivations as largely personal and resentful, no matter what lofty ideologies he uses to justify them.

Just like Killmonger himself, but I preferred W'Kabi as the villain-supporter-we're-supposed-to-understand to Killmonger's lying ideologue, and I suppose Coogler did too given that this scene didn't make the final cut.

edited 1st May '18 9:31:53 PM by KnownUnknown

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#86035: May 1st 2018 at 9:55:01 PM

So yeah, I finally saw Infinity War tonight. Already touched upon it in the designated thread but basically, it was fantastic. Delivered on most of what I hoped it would. Had me seriously shocked and on the verge of tears at points. I don't think I've felt this strongly about one of these movies since Got G 2.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#86036: May 2nd 2018 at 2:44:06 AM
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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#86037: May 2nd 2018 at 6:37:27 AM

[up][up][up] He doesn't want T'Challa to hand him over to the UN or the CIA because of national pride, not revenge (or at least, not just revenge). He wants him to be brought back to Wakanda.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86038: May 2nd 2018 at 10:48:49 AM

Infinity War has now made more money than Guardians of the Galaxy.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#86039: May 2nd 2018 at 2:25:30 PM

New Black Panther deleted scene, where T’challa and Zuri reminisce on deceased king and father T’chaka.

edited 2nd May '18 2:26:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86040: May 2nd 2018 at 2:32:51 PM

Would any of the Americans here really have been satisfied if Obama had caight bin Laden and then handed him over to the UN or the ICC? W'Kabi's desire for his country to have legal jurisdiction over someone who attacked them is hardly unusual.

I think he's unreasonable for plenty of reasons, but not that one.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#86041: May 2nd 2018 at 2:48:39 PM

I mean, I would’ve been fine with it, but I’m not necessarily going to be the average American. I’m not really a fan of assassination, even of people like bin Laden.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#86042: May 2nd 2018 at 2:53:51 PM

My only problem was not getting to see the actual video of that sick son of a bitch catching a piece of molten lead right between the eyes, so I can understand why W'Kabi feels that way.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#86043: May 2nd 2018 at 2:56:07 PM

Jesus fuck off topic off topic

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#86044: May 2nd 2018 at 2:59:38 PM

So,what Marvel characters are there that wouldn't really fit into Cinematic Universe but would make interesting film?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#86047: May 2nd 2018 at 3:08:50 PM

Armless goddamn Tiger Man.

And Golden Oldie, but that's not as fun without Aunt May being a shriveled prune.

edited 2nd May '18 3:09:24 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#86048: May 2nd 2018 at 4:27:22 PM

Infinity War just broke 300 million domestic and 800 million worldwide.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#86049: May 2nd 2018 at 4:50:57 PM

$800 million in five days. Without China. That's got to be some kind of record.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#86050: May 2nd 2018 at 5:31:46 PM

That T'Challa and Zuri scene was wonderful. I really hope all four hours of the original shoot make it to the home release, because this movie is chock-full of great character moments and I would hate for them to never see the light of day.


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