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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85926: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:06:25 AM

(Yes, this is a recent article.) An interesting piece by a war veteran about how he is frustrated with the heroic portrayal of Steve Rogers in Civil War.

I’ve been mulling this over for a very long time, but I think I’ve finally come to a concise, rather lamentable conclusion: I hate how so many other people’s perception of MCU Captain America as an ideal to strive for clashes with the reality of my failures in my own service. [...] Steve Rogers is a warrior addicted to combat, violence is a part of his everyday life despite his greater cause as a proponent of peace.

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#85927: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:07:14 AM

Isn't that at least partially intentional? Age of Ultron seemed to lean in that direction

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85928: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:09:56 AM

AOU, definitely. Civil War... ehh, there was a bit about how Sam appears to be getting tired of Steve constantly looking for another fight to jump into, but for the most part his moral faults in CW are centered around his protectiveness toward Bucky.

edited 30th Apr '18 12:10:53 AM by Tuckerscreator

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#85929: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:23:39 AM

I think its notable that he doesn't retire after that though. He goes on looking for fights.

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#85930: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:31:02 AM

Indeed, which the movie presents as a good thing.

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#85931: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:36:04 AM

Dangit movie

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85932: Apr 30th 2018 at 12:38:39 AM

The notion was already introduced in The Fist Avenger and underlines in The Winter Soldier. Considering that Civil War is written by the same writers, it is still a part of that movie, too.

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#85933: Apr 30th 2018 at 5:32:30 AM

It's really hard to call out Cap for being "addicted to violence" when he goes on missions because the world is continually in peril. Like, if things were quiet and he services were no longer needed but he insisted on finding missions to go on and people to beat up anyway, then you could make the argument that he had a problem. But until then, that's a hard sell.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85934: Apr 30th 2018 at 5:39:33 AM

There's a decent Alternate Character Interpretation that Captain America destroyed SHIELD and hated the idea of Ultron because the idea of not having a battle to fight would kill him.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#85935: Apr 30th 2018 at 5:47:45 AM

I mean he didn't HAVE to join SHIELD post-Avengers, and he has severe moral and ethically problems with how they do things. Yet he stays anyway, and he doesn't seem to have much of a social life outside of sometimes hanging out with the other hero's or old WWII vets (I mean that's apparently who he invited to the Avenger's big "we took down HYDRA" party in AOU).

So yeah the interpretation that he does it because being a soldier and going on missions is all that he knows and is the only time that he's truly comfortable and in his element, makes a lot of sense I think.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85936: Apr 30th 2018 at 5:48:43 AM

Yeah, there's a very big point also that Emily Van Camp's Sharon Carter is kind of hurt because Steve doesn't date.

He doesn't do anything but punch things.

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#85937: Apr 30th 2018 at 6:02:01 AM

> He doesn't do anything but punch things.

Hey he does more then punch things!

He occasionally uses his shield

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85939: Apr 30th 2018 at 6:29:21 AM

Steve never truly came home. Perhaps he would have if the story with Bucky would have gone differently....Bucky isn't really into fighting, he might have been able to pull Cap back. They explored that theme in Winter Soldier and again in Age of Ultron...one of the truly brilliant moments in the movie is that Steve is unable to imagine a world without war.

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#85940: Apr 30th 2018 at 6:31:56 AM

I know Age of Ultron sucked but I still want Ultron to show up again,after all,there's bound to be one Ultron body that managed to ecape,or better yet there's a backup somewhere..

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#85941: Apr 30th 2018 at 6:40:46 AM

The perpendicular to canon Gotg Operation Breakout has an Ultron in the Collector's collection

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85942: Apr 30th 2018 at 6:50:23 AM

Nah...honestly, since AIDA, I have gotten my fill of evil robots. I don't want the MCU to revisit that well anytime soon.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85943: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:02:14 AM

I'd prefer Ultron to return as running a cowboy theme park.

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#85944: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:16:52 AM

"one of the truly brilliant moments in the movie is that Steve is unable to imagine a world without war."

Something I have noticed is that that interpretation was kinda somewhat retcon in a way.

With Wheedon the idea is that he was somewhat prone to conflict and like all soldier he have a very narrow way to deal with conficts: ether he fight or he is not there.

In civil war instead they put him a chronic heroic complex, saying he MUST save people because he feel like it come as very arrogant and almost patological "Look tony, I cant stop being a hero I just cant"

While I consider Tony a jerk, I was with him in that moment of the Movie.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85945: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:18:02 AM

Well the comic Civil War made it clear Captain America was right.

The movie makes it clear both men are wrong and the worst part is they would be right if they worked together on solving both their problems.

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#85946: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:20:31 AM

[up]While I dont want to bring another discussion, It always seen...artificial the whole "both were wrong", because eventually the movie take a nose dive from the accords to Steve and Tony emotional states, which is waaaaaaay another thing enterely.

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#85947: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:25:18 AM

@The Airman: How do you know there's already a bootleg on pornhub? tongue

Because a different friend than the one in China nearly spoiled the movie a day before I saw it thanks to it. Also what Shatterstar said, apparently you can also find Char's Counterattack and various video game streamers who don't want to deal with youtube/twitch/etc.'s bullshit.

I’ve been mulling this over for a very long time, but I think I’ve finally come to a concise, rather lamentable conclusion: I hate how so many other people’s perception of MCU Captain America as an ideal to strive for clashes with the reality of my failures in my own service. [...] Steve Rogers is a warrior addicted to combat, violence is a part of his everyday life despite his greater cause as a proponent of peace.

Wow so MCU Cap literally is Big Boss

edited 30th Apr '18 7:25:46 AM by TheAirman

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#85948: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:28:49 AM

He's got the beard. He's got the made-up African nation to hang out in.

He almost has a quirky miniboss squad (Falcon, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Bucky)

He's really only missing a young protege that is sent to kill him.

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#85949: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:34:18 AM

Also he's got both eyes

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#85950: Apr 30th 2018 at 7:34:48 AM

Thor stole all of the one-eyedness

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