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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85776: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:06:22 AM

[up]Having something dosent make it good ether, they avoid to be awful movies but at best they are very forgettable.

I will pull Antman in the "who cares" category of movies.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85777: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:10:14 AM

[up] People who have a complicated relationship with their children.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85778: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:16:28 AM

The worst movies Marvel ever produced were Age of Ultron,Thor darkworld

That's the two that I've seen and thought they were terrible,can't say anything about Ironman 2 nor Incredible hulk because I've never watched them

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85779: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:16:46 AM

[up][up]If you talk about hank?, not, he is a jackass who need other people to clean is mess.

Kinda like Odin in ragnarok but that is another story.

edited 27th Apr '18 7:18:20 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85780: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:19:53 AM

Iron Man 2 is the worst one. Even with The Incredible Hulk the villain was mildly interesting. Iron Man 2 feels like it was written by a twelve year old, and not the nice sort of twelve year old, but the kind you wish you could punch.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85781: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:37:58 AM

I kind of like Ironman 2, despite its obvious flaws. But then, I enjoyed the Black Widow subplot more than most because I had no idea who this character is.

Anyway, if there is something I have learned is that there are countless rankings for those movies out there, and everyone has his own preferences.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85782: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:41:06 AM

There are no MCU movies I hate

There are ones that I'm more indifferent to

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85783: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:45:34 AM

One trai that makes Ant-Man memorable is its themes of fatherhood & child relationships.

Plus Scott is a former convict & none of the current heroes have a criminal record like that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#85784: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:48:51 AM

I'm not really interested in ranking works of fiction very often. But does anyone else have a few movies they just kind of dislike without necessarily beingb able to completely articulate why? Because Iron Man 2 is that kind of movie for me note ?

I guess I could go back and rewatch the movie to figure it out... but I really have no interest in seeing it again. So IM 2 is probably my least favourite. 3 has issues, but I at least liked the Tony/Rhodey/Pepper dynamic in it.

edited 27th Apr '18 7:49:43 AM by Pseudopartition

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85785: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:50:39 AM

[up][up]That is actually what it make me hate Pym in the movie: he dosent mind using a convict(who is struggling with jobs, have a strain relationship with her ex wife and her husband is cop on top of that) because is "expendable", only because is own concern with is own daughter(who is actually over qualified for the mission).

For me that dosent make him a concern father, just a dick.

edited 27th Apr '18 7:52:05 AM by unknowing

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85786: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:51:44 AM

No, I am usually totally able to articulate what I dislike about a movie.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85787: Apr 27th 2018 at 7:55:14 AM

[up][up] It makes him pragmatic.

Even then he's called out on it anyway.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85788: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:00:27 AM

And oddly enough, Scott doesn't bear a grudge against him for it because as a father he gets it (and might even do the same thing).

One Strip! One Strip!
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#85789: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:01:26 AM

Yeah, even the MCU movies I've been calling "bad" are still entirely watchable. They're "bad" in that they're not especially good, not in that they're terrible pieces of cinema.

In terms of plot relevance, I'd say there are a lot of skippable MCU movies. You need the first Iron Man because it introduces Tony Stark as well as the setting as a whole, and really sets the tone for the entire franchise. You can skip Hulk, Iron Man 2, and even Thor, since those don't do much except introduce characters that you can figure out in later movies anyway. Captain America is worth keeping because it introduces Hydra and the Tesseract. The Avengers is definitely necessary. Iron Man 3 is skippable, and the only thing Dark World does is introduce the Aether, so you can skip that too. You need Winter Soldier for Bucky, the fall of SHIELD, and modern-day Hydra. You need Guardians of the Galaxy for introducing the wider galactic setting (ie, Thanos) and introducing the Infinity Stones as a concept. You need Age of Ultron for Vision and setup for Civil War. Ant-Man is skippable. You need Civil War for the Accords stuff, the team breaking up, and introducing Black Panther. Doctor Strange is the most recent one I've seen so I can't speak to its wider plot relevance, but I suspect that it's ultimately skippable because its wider relevance boils down to "there's this wizard dude and he has an Infinity Stone", which would make it pretty skippable. GOTG 2, Spider-Man, and Thor Homecoming I haven't seen yet, so couldn't comment on. Black Panther is important for introducing Wakanda, which I understand is important in Infinity War, but I don't recall how much of that came up in Civil War or how much I just knew about Wakanda from hearing about Black Panther.

tldr, watch Iron Man, Captain America, Avengers, Winter Soldier, GOTG, Age of Ultron, Civil War, and probably Black Panther. Skip Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Iron Man 3, Dark World, Ant-Man, and probably Doctor Strange. The rest I haven't seen yet.

edited 27th Apr '18 8:03:47 AM by NativeJovian

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85790: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:02:24 AM

Pym kind of screwed up choosing Lang as his catspaw as he's too nice a guy to be expendable.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85791: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:02:34 AM

[up][up][up][up]It the same sense Amanda "The wall" Waller is pragmatic by relasing crimianls and sticking bombs on their heads, I dont think Pym should be see that way.

And is only call up by the treatment of her daughter, Scott pretty much agree with him which is stupid is so many levels....

"and Thor Homecoming"

I didnt know Thor have a movie about going to high school, tryng to prove himself to Iron man and fighting a Bird theme villiantongue

edited 27th Apr '18 8:06:57 AM by unknowing

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85792: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:08:33 AM

[up] He understands him.

I get his logic.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#85793: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:12:32 AM

I get Scott's logic, too, and I'm pretty sure the movie makes it clear that Hank is still wrong for doing that. Ant-Man and The Wasp seems to be going that route, with Hank having learned better.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85794: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:12:37 AM

Pym kind of screwed up choosing Lang as his catspaw as he's too nice a guy to be expendable.

Eh, I think finding someone who's both competent at the job, and such a dick that you wouldn't feel bad about using him as an expendable tool is asking too much. Hell, Scott being a nice guy at heart is probably another reason why he's a good choice (as he'd be both genuinely good enough to want to help, and also because he'd want to prove himself to his daughter).

One Strip! One Strip!
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85795: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:28:05 AM

T He problem is that it is still putting Hank concern and issues over the fact he is throwing someone else because of it.

Also, there is another thing people tend to overlook: the plan fail and it failt thanks to Hank releasing Scott in the first place!, if he wasnt for Scott quick thinking thing would be ugly but Hank pretty much screw is plan by hiring scott in the first place.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#85796: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:29:53 AM

To be fair, Hank only needed to do that because Hope tried to get him arrested again.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85797: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:33:08 AM

Mind you, there's also the Family-Unfriendly Aesop that Hope Pym is not necessarily entitled to her father's support in becoming a superhero.

She just expects it.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85798: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:38:44 AM

[up][up]Maybe but is still hilarious how the entire planning is almost wreck by one detail everyone forgot to outlook and it was Pym fault.

[up]Maybe is just me but I kinda feel Scott status as expendable because of is criminal records is kinda tone down by the fact he is white, I mean if Scott was black,being "expendable" would look pretty damn iffy in my opinion.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85799: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:40:19 AM

Thing is with Ant-Man, there’s a bunch of other movies with the same conflict of “Dad is overprotective of daughter who wants to do the stunt, because of how his wife died”. And few of them are good movies, but at least they get faster that the right lesson is “Dad needs to get over his s*** and support his daughter doing the thing.” Hank Pym takes a whole movie to do that, so it’s this weird situation where Herbie Fully Loaded and Racing Stripes are unexpectedly more feminist than this film that came out more than a decade later.

edited 27th Apr '18 8:42:14 AM by Tuckerscreator

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85800: Apr 27th 2018 at 8:42:53 AM

[up]There is also the fact that Hank is so overprotective that it decide to throw another inocent man into the whole mess(At mess cause by is particle) just because of is concerns.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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