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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#85701: Apr 26th 2018 at 1:49:27 PM

[up][up] It sounds to me like you formed a picture of Okoye based on your definition of Honor Before Reason, when in fact her adherence to that was pretty circumstantial.

Oh God! Natural light!
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#85702: Apr 26th 2018 at 2:45:36 PM

Okoye is devoted is to Wakanda as a nation. She's obviously quite fond of T'Challa and the royal family and dislikes Killmonger, but she feels that she has to honor Wakandan traditions since technically Killmonger won the kingship fair and square (or so they thought).

However, spends the rest of the film seeing Killmonger repeatedly prove that he doesn't give a shit about Wakanda, its people, or its traditions, and seeing him blatantly disregard the ceremonial succession battle rules at the end was all it took for her to side with T'Challa, who was technically still king at that point anyways since Killmonger's whole coronation and rule at that point was fundamentally illegitimate.

This is all pretty clearly shown and demonstrated in the film.

edited 26th Apr '18 2:49:42 PM by Draghinazzo

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85704: Apr 26th 2018 at 2:56:59 PM

Yeah,last I heard the director of Oaf's Frozen Adventure,was doing it,which made me picture her companion being a talking snowman who likes warm hugs

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85705: Apr 26th 2018 at 3:07:39 PM

My memories are a little bit fuzzy there...wasn't that the writer they picked, not the director?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85706: Apr 26th 2018 at 3:08:39 PM

Good source of company and untraceable ice knives.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85707: Apr 26th 2018 at 3:10:57 PM

"So you're saying Black Window needs a companion,which is why..you've chosen a talking snowman,do you realise this is a marvel movie,right?

"So?You had a talking tree and a raccoon in the same damn movie!!

"OK,fair point"

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85708: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:10:28 PM

[up]Also, Disney have marvel, ergo it is a Disney movie tooevil grin.

" I get that might make it difficult to tell some of the more whimsical/"fun" stories those characters might be known for however."

I actually like that of Netflix seen I feel Marvel got adverse feeling of going for grittiness, and Phase 3 have just ramp that up with Ragnarok and Homecoming.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85709: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:14:37 PM

I think it's also important to note Killmonger is racist as fuck. I don't mean just against white people but against Africans.

While you could argue the guy arguing for "racial justice" is the villain, he's very clearly the guy with the most disdain for Wakandans and the most representative of the militarily industrial complex as well as running on White Savior logic.

Or in this case Western Savior.

Killmonger fully expects when he arrives in Wakanda, takes over, and shames them that they'll follow his lead and is confused then angry at the fact the Wakandans see his claims as not just wrong but nonsensical.

edited 26th Apr '18 4:16:33 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#85710: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:16:01 PM

I would say it's more that Killmonger is contemptuous of Wakanda because he sees them as a morally reprehensible nation, which to be fair he has a bit of a point given what happened to him and his father.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85711: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:19:34 PM

His father was kind of planning mass terrorism too. T'Chaka's call to kill his brother arguably was no different than any guy who found out a close associate was planning to draw his people into war.

I.e. the same as his son.

Wakanda didn't intervene globally but if you start as a CIA operative and American Special Forces guy, are we really going to take him as correct with, "You should be intervening more in the world?"

edited 26th Apr '18 4:20:17 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85712: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:21:35 PM

Tell that to the guy who was left to rot all alone in a ghetto when he was just a child.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85713: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:28:40 PM

He'd probably kill me for it but blaming an entire country for it and then planning to use it to conquer most of the world through funding terrorism is not a response I think most people can get behind.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85714: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:36:02 PM

Revenge can blind you and drain ya of rationality.

Especially for someone's who's been at this for decades.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85715: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:36:26 PM

Yes yes he grew up in a tough neighbourhood and was orphaned. That doesn't justify being a massively smug megalomaniac with designs on world conquest. It also doesn't raise a lot of sympathy at all for him.

There are lots of little asshole things he does in the movie that just piss me off, like him condescending to a museum curator about African artefacts that he plans to steal and sell on the black market. Or him murdering his girlfriend so callously.

edited 26th Apr '18 4:39:15 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85716: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:37:41 PM

Hell, I can get behind world domination.

Just the contempt for Wakanda is something I think he's got no justification for other than cultural disdain.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85717: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:38:25 PM

When you hate a king you start hating his people.

Its a logical extension.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85718: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:40:31 PM

[up][up] Wait, you count starting a giant war on the entire earth less offensive than him being culturally insensitive to Wakanda?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85719: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:52:08 PM

On the prior topic of “why did Killmonger order an uprising in Hong Kong”, my theory is: since China has been involved in recent totally-not-colonialism efforts in Africa, Killmonger is attacking them as a means of securing his power. Ignoring them for lack of a large black population within their borders would mean leaving a major world superpower alone that could easily attempt to attack Wakanda or compete for power in Africa.

edited 26th Apr '18 4:53:45 PM by Tuckerscreator

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85720: Apr 26th 2018 at 4:54:20 PM

So, he just wants total world domination.

Because he's a friggin megalomaniac as the movie clearly shows.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85721: Apr 26th 2018 at 5:01:14 PM

On a related note, this is a discussion by Nigerian viewers on the film, where they discuss its politics and what they would do in T’challa’s position of power, from overthrowing African warlords, to creating a pan-African state, to universal passports for black diaspora descendants, to even creating a tv show about the quality of life in Wakanda.

edited 26th Apr '18 6:05:00 PM by Tuckerscreator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#85722: Apr 26th 2018 at 5:28:36 PM

Remember that at the end of the day, what Killmonger really wanted wasn't rebalanced justice, or even revenge on Wakanda specifically. He knew fully damn well the consequences of his actions would be far removed from the afro-utopia he framed it as.

He wanted the world to burn, and feel the same pain he felt in his life.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#85723: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:37:09 PM

Black Panther's a decent film but a lot of it is novelty. It's not going to age as well as we think.

By far the dumbest part of the movie were the weaponized rhinos.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#85724: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:38:52 PM

"Dumbest" is a word that here means "greatest".

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#85725: Apr 26th 2018 at 6:41:01 PM

Novelty? What novelty? Unless African representation and a distinctly African story is somehow a novelty.

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