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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#85326: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:10:34 PM

The Hashtag show is reporting that the Black Widow movie will be a prequel set 15yrs after the fall of the Soviet Union[1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85327: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:15:27 PM

Hope that is just a rumour. I really don't want to go backwards with her.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#85328: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:17:33 PM

They reported and were wrong about Iron Fist having Shang-Chi weren't they?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#85329: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:25:46 PM

I will admit that Wanda's kind of boring. I like her fine, but something's missing...

Maybe she needs a tiara?

Oh God! Natural light!
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#85330: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:28:02 PM

Civil War is the only really relevant film to watch before BP because it introduces T'Challa and gives some helpful context to his character.
Huh, I didn't realize he showed up before Black Panther at all. Well, that's handy — I'll watch Ant-Man tonight, Civil War tomorrow, and then Black Panther on Wednesday.

The scepter seems like a retcon that only half works. It explains the scepter’s mind control whammy, but its involvement with the creation of Ultron is wayyyy too vague, and it doesn’t make sense for Thanos to give Loki an infinity stone to go get a second infinity stone.
Yeah, pretty much this.

Ultron confirms his goal changed when Tony asks him at the climax: “what happened to the mission?” (meaning the original directive to save humanity) and Ultron responds: “I’ve moved on from your mission. I’m free.” I think it’s supposed to be after Black Widow captures his new body and the Maximoffs leave him that Ultron loses it and decides “screw it, I’m killing everybody”, but it hardly matters because his plan before then was already ‘meteor the whole planet’.
The last bit is basically my point. Even if his motivation changed at some point, it doesn't seem that his plan ever does, which is... weird? He says "no, I am free of your control! Anyway, still gonna do the exact same thing I was doing before. Just, you know, freely now."

[in regards to Thanos somehow being behind Loki getting the Mind stone] That's the thing: that's a big assumption that requires plot simply not in the movie. It would make sense, but it's not present at all, and if that was the intention it was never developed.
Yeah, pretty much. It's not an unreasonable theory given what we know (except that it requires Thanos to have one of the Infinity Stones and then give it up), but if it were true you'd expect it to get some actual narrative focus, which it doesn't.

Honestly, the LAST problem I have with Ao U is Ultron's "motivation". He is NOT a human. He isn't even truly an AI. He is a malfunctioning software. A particular dangerous one.
He's sapient, so he needs a motivation. It doesn't have to be one to make sense to us mere humans, and "he does seemingly irrational things because he's a godlike AI instead of a hairless monkey" would have been fine, but as it is they seem to just shotgun a bunch of generic rogue AI tropes at the audience and say "eh, whatever hits, take your pick", which was unsatisfying.

The arms dealer is Ulysses Klaue, who is a central Black Panther villain. He does return for a bigger role in BP, along with a sweet robot arm and more backstory on how and why he stole all that Vibranium.
Nice! Good to hear. He was an interesting character, glad to see they make proper use of him.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#85331: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:29:14 PM

Feige says not to get excited about the X-Men or Fantastic Four anytime soon.

“No, because any of that deal would take a while to get going and years from whenever and if ever it happens. So, certainly it won’t impact the five movies we’ve announced, and it probably wouldn’t impact anything for a handful of years after that. Because really, we’re not thinking about that. We’re thinking of delivering on what we promised. Any movie, especially for any characters we don’t have the rights to yet until someone tells us we do, would be even further after that.”

edited 23rd Apr '18 12:29:41 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85332: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:37:32 PM

Well, the first change already happened...suddenly Marvel is publishing the Fantastic 4 again.

Anyway, just based on the math, the earliest we get to see either an X-men or a fantastic 4 movie related movie would be in 2023 anyway...because even if we assume that there are plans around, just in case, the deal won't go through before 2019, meaning that they can't do anything before that anyway. And until they have a working script, found a director aso and wrapped up production, well, it takes some time to finish a movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85333: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:44:11 PM

Tiaras are never the answer

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#85334: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:45:11 PM
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85336: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:51:58 PM

Capes

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#85337: Apr 23rd 2018 at 12:54:59 PM

They can do what they did with Spider Man put FF or X-Men into other movies.

Just Makima.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#85338: Apr 23rd 2018 at 1:08:36 PM

They only do that with Spider-Man because that's the way the deal they have with Sony works. They can't do that with the FF or X-Men because it's an entirely different situation.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85340: Apr 23rd 2018 at 1:24:48 PM

I'm going to watch Infinity War on sunday. Wish me luck on avoiding spoilers until then.

By the way, you know That Thing That Was Leaked Before Even The First Trailer Came Out? That Thing With The Hulkbuster? That hasn't been shown in any of the trailers I've seen so far, so I'm thinking it's information we aren't meant to know and it'll be a twist in the film proper.

edited 23rd Apr '18 1:25:19 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#85341: Apr 23rd 2018 at 1:55:15 PM

[up] Don't know what that's all about, and I'm not even going to ask about it. Because SPOILERS.

By the way, the world premiere in Los Angeles is happening today. As such, Thanos demands your continued silence.

(But how are we supposed to do that while still being able to do Twitter things?)

Here's something to help!

(Basically, go to settings on Twitter and mute the word "Infinity War" for 7 days. Do this for probably the characters and whatever.)

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#85342: Apr 23rd 2018 at 2:02:47 PM

[up][up]What do you mean, Banner piloting the Hulkbuster? Because while it hasn't been explicitly shown it's generally common knowledge.

This song needs more love.
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#85343: Apr 23rd 2018 at 4:08:04 PM

On it's second night in Saudi Arabia, Black Panther sold out in 45 secs[1]

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#85344: Apr 23rd 2018 at 4:16:05 PM

[up][up][up] Thanks for the tip. I just set up mutes for every variation of "Infinity War" and "Avengers" I could think of.

Going to see it Thursday night at 7:30, so I won't have to worry about spoilers once the floodgates really open, but better safe then sorry.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85345: Apr 23rd 2018 at 4:24:32 PM

So they thumped my post.....yeah, it was a pretty bad joke, sorry about it Adric, also it wasnt about you being defensive, it was more a reference of you complaing about the thread going back to that theme...but it kinda blow in my face.

Meh, moving on on that.

I have to admit is weird not caring that much about infinite war, I care more about is repercutions but for the rest I feel meh, right now I asking myself how that would affect AOS, if Tony or Cap dies, Coulson would be crush and making Coulson sad is awfullsad

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#85346: Apr 23rd 2018 at 4:35:30 PM

The Wrap has more details on The Eternals:

Multiple screenwriters have taken meetings and have been asked to come up with a story that focuses on the female Eternal known as Sersi, (no, not the character on “Game of Thrones”), several insiders have told The Wrap.

According to Marvel.com, Sersi can manipulate cosmic energy to grant herself virtual immortality, invulnerability, and reshape the molecules of other people or objects.

Sersi was an Avenger for quite a while in the 90s.

edited 23rd Apr '18 4:35:59 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85347: Apr 23rd 2018 at 4:43:47 PM

Those heady team jacket days

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#85348: Apr 23rd 2018 at 5:06:02 PM

Only thing I've read with her in it was Infinity Gauntlet, where she dies, like, a few pages in.

When was the last time she showed up?

Oh God! Natural light!
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#85349: Apr 23rd 2018 at 7:00:59 PM

Well, there was Ant-Man. It was very silly! But a lot of fun as long as you don't take it seriously. On any level. I can't call it good, but it was a stupid kind of fun (emphasis on the "stupid"). The plot was predictable, the characters were boring when they weren't offensively stereotypical, and the entire movie ignored the basic premise of its own phlebotinum (that pym particles alter your size without changing your mass). None of which actually mattered, because the only part of the movie that they got right was the only part that was important: cool action scenes! The choreography of the fights themselves was nothing to write home about, but the visuals on basically all of the shrink scenes were excellent and they were a lot of fun to watch even when it was just stupid stuff like the Training Montage.

Honestly, this didn't really feel like an MCU movie. That's not a bad thing, it's just... weird. They spent years building up a movie franchise that revolves around treating superhero stories seriously, with real stakes and lasting consequences instead of a lighthearted campy action flick... and then they made a lighthearted campy action flick. Who greenlit that pitch, seriously?

Anyway, the movie was pretty bad in almost every respect but I still had fun with it. I can't even rank it against the rest of the MCU. It's like trying to say which is more delicious: cotton candy or steak. They're just too damn different to compare properly.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85350: Apr 23rd 2018 at 7:23:28 PM

"They spent years building up a movie franchise that revolves around treating superhero stories seriously, with real stakes and lasting consequences"*

....Really? I dont feel MCU is that serious at all, the only really serious movies were Winter soldier and Civil war(both by the russo brothers) while all other joke and lampshade a fair deal.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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