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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85226: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:10:13 PM

[up]Valquire was there when Hela try to take over, and all those example listen are only belive by certain population, also most of them done deny the thing that happen(Like the civil war) just the overall reason.

Is kinda diferent from unperson Hela like He did, is the kind of thing it boggles the mind.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#85227: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:21:26 PM

Someone mentioned MODOK last page: I really feel he'd be perfectly at home as an Ant-Man villain given the very comedic and breezy tone of the Ant-Man franchise thus far (plus scientist villain suits well the science hero tone of the franchise). My hope was that he'd be the villain of Ant-Man 2 but with that dashed I'm hoping for MODOK In Ant Man 3.

"I AM SCIENCE. I AM GENIUS!"

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85228: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:24:18 PM

I could MODOK being another Stark creation if I'm totally honest

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#85229: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:29:58 PM

I'd make him a Hank Pym creation solely for variety's sake.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85230: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:31:52 PM

Bruce Banner's high school science fair project

That'll learn you to bully him

Let's think about which of the big name scientists would be likely to create a horrible abomination

edited 22nd Apr '18 4:34:48 PM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#85231: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:36:14 PM

Sounds like there's gonna be globe-trotting in the Homecoming sequel.

“We start filming early July,” Feige said. “We film in London. We shot first film in Atlanta. And we shoot a lot of films in London but there’s another reason we’re shooting in London which is, yes, Spidey, of course, will spend some time in New York, but he’ll spend some time in other parts of the globe.”

And sounds like Marvel is looking at Novas a possibility in Phase 4.

"Nova is… if we have a big board with a bunch of characters that have more immediate potential, Nova is on that board," Feige said in the exclusive interview. "Because of the connection to the Guardians universe, because there are more than one examples to pull from in the comics that are interesting. And you’re absolutely right, he was in the earliest drafts of the [Guardians of the Galaxy]."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85232: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:41:10 PM

It was probably a good idea to save Nova for after Infinity War

You have the big shakeups already happen that superpowered helmeted Novas can be a reaction to and you don't have to worry about another movie dictating things for you

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#85233: Apr 22nd 2018 at 4:52:07 PM

What's the reason for Peter going to London I wonder? Science expo? Mission?

Still hoping Bruce Campbell!Mysterio is the bad guy.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#85234: Apr 22nd 2018 at 5:20:30 PM

[up][up]

I can actually buy that.

Sh*t will inevitably go 'round the billy blue bollocks once Thanos wrecks Xandar for the Power Stone, then when the Thanos storm dies down, the Nova Corps (or what's left of them) will come to the conclusion of "screw it, we need to up our game. Hey, I know! Let's develop a helmet that can give its wearer powered armor that let's 'em fly and breathe in space and shoot beams through their arms! It's foolproof!" evil grin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85235: Apr 22nd 2018 at 5:23:58 PM

I will be disappointed if Marvel does a better Green Lantern movie than DC.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85236: Apr 22nd 2018 at 5:25:05 PM

Well they've done a better a Darkseid then DC

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85237: Apr 22nd 2018 at 5:26:22 PM

Darkseid & Thanos are completely different creatures despite the latter being a rip-off of the former though.

Then again Thanos was pretty nonchalant in a Darkseid manner for most of the series.

edited 22nd Apr '18 5:27:21 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#85238: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:14:36 PM

So just watched Guardians of the Galaxy. I did see this one before, and definitely enjoyed it the first time around, so was looking forward to rewatching.

GOTG is probably my favorite MCU movie I've seen. The plot feels personal, but has real stakes to it. The characters are all interesting and well-developed. The action is fun and feels weighty, while simultaneously adding to characterization (ie, different characters fight differently, in ways that display their personalities). The acting is uniformly excellent. And probably most importantly, the writing is rock solid. Everything that everyone does makes sense for that character, rather than feeling like it happens just for the sake of moving the plot along. And the dialogue is brilliantly dense — it conveys a lot of meaning in just a few lines.

Here's a quick example that struck me while I was watching. During the chase scene in Knowhere, Peter, Rocket, and Gamora are all in travel pods being chased by Ronan's fighters. They're focusing on Gamora since she has the stone, so Peter and Rocket are trying to cover her. They have a quick back and forth:

[Peter] These pods are industrial-grade, they're practically indestructible. [Rocket] Not against necroblasters they aren't! [Peter] Not what I had in mind. [Rocket] Oh. Oh. Heheheh...

Then they start using the pods themselves as weapons, smashing them through the (comparatively) fragile fighters. This is just a couple seconds of dialogue, but it establishes a bunch of things. 1) Peter is knowledgeable about technology. He may not have Rocket's raw intelligence, but he's got practical experience. 2) Peter is clever. While Rocket can make custom-designed, purpose-built devices, Peter is better at making do with the tools he has on hand. 3) Even though the pods are "practically indestructible", they can still be destroyed by actual weapons fire. This is important for maintaining tension in the scene (where, you know, they're being shot at). Without that line, the audience might be left asking "well, if they're basically indestructible, then why are they even worried about Ronan's fighters?". 4) Rocket, though he's not as much of a lateral thinker as Peter, is still smart enough to catch his meaning without too much prompting.

And all that's in just a couple seconds of dialogue. It's fantastic. The whole movie is like that.

Other random things that I liked:

The fact that Xandar, although it's depicted as a peaceful utopian world whose citizens are shocked and appalled by violence, still has an active and effective military force. They're not just wimpy pacifists or something. The Nova Corps are led by a Reasonable Authority Figure, and when Ronan attacks Xandar, they're actually able to stop his ship with their shield-net thing. (It's not until Ronan shoots at them with the Infinity Stone that their shield collapses and his ship gets through.) I admit that I'm also a sucker for when the Redshirt Army is allowed to make a Heroic Sacrifice doing something marginally effective rather than making a Senseless Sacrifice and die without accomplishing anything at all. The fact that their first response to an attack is a shield (like their earlier response to the fight scene on the surface was to immobilize and restrain everyone) is also a nice bit of characterization.

The fact that Yondu's telekinetic arrow thing wasn't actually used until after he'd been threatening people with it for the whole movie was also great. It would have been easy to have him use it on some random mooks at some point to establish the threat, but it's actually much more effective this way. We know enough about it for it to be a legitimate threat when it's used as such — it's a pointy object that can move around with some force, so when he puts it up to someone's throat, we definitely know he can kill them with it. But having it not be actually used until near the climax builds tension that the scene where he uses it releases, while also making the audience go back and reevaluate just how dangerous the situation was in those earlier scenes where he'd threatened people with it.

The relationship between Peter and Yondu is great. On the one hand, Yondu is a father figure for Peter. On the other, he's an abusive father figure, which Peter understands and calls out. At the same time, your feelings about a parent(al figure) don't just go away because they're abusive, and that comes through as well. And on top of all that, they're also rivals, which means they're genuinely trying to outwit one another (with potentially lethal consequences), but when Peter comes out ahead, Yondu also has a sense of fatherly pride. It's nuanced, but at the same time easy to understand.

That said, there are definitely some issues with the movie. The main one is that it's very dense, which is both good (because it means there's a lot of content packed into it) and bad (because it means it can be a bit overwhelming). It's definitely a movie that benefits from multiple watches. Other than that, the "Peter distracts Ronan by dancing at him" scene at the very end is one of the few in the entire film that fell flat, which is unfortunate since it's such a key part of the climax. I can see Peter doing it, but I'm not sold on Ronan's response. He's never displayed anything but disgust and contempt for other cultures, so his bout of confused curiosity seemed out of character. (How It Should Have Ended, naturally, had a field day with this.) And finally, I'm not sold on the "Peter's only half-human" thing. I mean, yeah, they foreshadowed it in the first scene (disguised as his mom just being crazy), but it came off as just obvious sequel bait, which was meh.

Final thought: Howard The Duck has to be the weirdest cameo in the MCU. (Edit — Other final thought: it still surprises me that John C. Reilly and Colm Meaney are, in fact, different people. Seriously. It's legit uncanny.)

I think I'm going to keep going and watch Age of Ultron tonight too. GOTG was the last MCU movie I've seen before, so it's all uncharted territory from here. I might not post about it until tomorrow, though, depending on if I'm falling asleep by the end (it's already lateish in my time zone).

edited 22nd Apr '18 6:29:20 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85239: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:35:47 PM

Peter's been half-human in the comics as well (though his father J'sonn is a militaristic Spartax navy leader, not Ego).

What I like about Guardians of the Galaxy is that it shows repentance is not an immediate flip, it's a process. The central characters start out as petty criminals with some redeeming traits, and have little desire to improve themselves because this is how they've been surviving. Once they get their first inkling that they're dealing with a bigger responsibility than they ever thought (an Infinity Stone capable of rapid genocide), their first inclination is to run and abandon it with someone else rather than prevent it from being misused. It takes until Peter's rescue of Gamora and the team's subsequent talk that they realize they're being called to a higher standard to help their world.

And after all their heroic acts, they demonstrate as they leave Xandar that they're still messed up. They know a little bit more about being good, but they've still got a long way to go before they have weaned off all their old habits. And that's pretty revolutionary for the MCU, considering other films like Thor or Age of Ultron have depicted moral redemption as far too easy and free of consequences or lingering bad habits.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#85240: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:36:22 PM

[up][up]Oh, man. I can’t wait to see what you think of Guardians 2.

edited 22nd Apr '18 6:36:55 PM by wisewillow

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85241: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:39:32 PM

[up][up]What thor? I feel ragnarok is the worst ofender in that regard.

[up]Well, jovian is right in something: it was pretty damn sequel bait.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85242: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:42:23 PM

Thor 1. Definitely not Thor Ragnarok, that one depends entirely on Thor and Loki and Valkyrie's character development. The necessity of change is the entire theme of the movie.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85243: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:46:51 PM

[up]Thor 1 is because Thor jerk behivor feel artificial most of the time, like it was made so he could learn a lession, like he is still bold head dude who charge at problems most of the times, is just not a dick about it.

And I feel ragnarok kinda forgive some people about some stuff: Valkarie work in slave planet it just brush off that, Loki past as invader of earth in avenger is also brush off too, and I already make my complain about Odin being kinda karma houdini.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#85244: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:47:42 PM

None of that first paragraph makes any sense.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#85245: Apr 22nd 2018 at 6:59:50 PM

So here's an update, true believers.

In an effort to let us pull ourselves together after Infinity War, Marvel Studios won't be having its Hall H Panel at this year's San Diego Comic-Con.

So we can forget about hearing anything pertaining to Avengers 4 on July. Though considering how a lot sh*t is apparently about to hit the fan in a few days, maybe it's for the best?

edited 22nd Apr '18 7:01:18 PM by TargetmasterJoe

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#85246: Apr 22nd 2018 at 7:01:49 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#85247: Apr 22nd 2018 at 7:02:43 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#85248: Apr 22nd 2018 at 7:05:34 PM

Probably that people will be so busy discussing whatever happens in Infinity War that it's pointless to ask anything about Avengers 4 until the furor dies down.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#85249: Apr 22nd 2018 at 7:12:27 PM

[up][up] Yeah, what [up] said. Maybe I should've been a little clearer?

But really, it's about to go down this Friday. And if the fates are willing, I'll be seeing it this coming weekend.

I really, REALLY, need to tread lightly around here...

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#85250: Apr 22nd 2018 at 7:20:52 PM

@Adric Look, I know one of the guidelines in Tv Tropes is "have legible grammar", but another rule is "don't be a dick". unknowing's English isn't very good, and I disagree with some of their opinions, but I can understand the general gist of what they're saying.


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