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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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That only motive Cap to go against him, it Was the accords and Tony and Cap falling what put the whole issue into the fight.
More important it help zemo More that it should, taking all the Avengers and giving Time to reach Siberia, the team lost the moment they fight in the airport.
edited 22nd Apr '18 12:03:46 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I don't think any of the villains had unreasonable motivations, some of them just had rather one-dimensional motivations. Malekith's concept is that he and his race come from the elder darkness of the universe and thus the entirety of creation is repulsive to them so he wants to bring the world back to the natural state his people lived in. Kaecillius's concept is a sort of bizarre Well-Intentioned Extremist variant that he finds death and decay to be disease and wants to cure the world by getting rid of that.
The problem is neither of them gets to really dwell on their motivations. Malekith's motivation is Info Dumped by Odin in two separate occasions rather than the character himself address it (because Malekith's entire screentime was butchered to make room for more Loki) and Kaecillius only gets one scene to explain himself at the end of the second act.
Killian's a rich asshole who wants money and that's about it. Obadiah Stane and Darren Cross are the other MCU villains varying on that concept, but both have way stronger writing surrounding them and more solid performances. Killian's just a cardboard cutout with Guy Pearce's voice coming out of it. Stane gets to enjoy Jeff Bridges's natural charisma as a avuncular surrogate father figure to Tony (his most interesting aspect) and Darren Cross gets Corey Stoll losing his shit across the film's runtime and his petty child relationship with Hank Pym (also his most interesting aspect).
Killian gets absolutely nothing.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Since people were rating the MCU films a few pages back, I figured I might as well, too (5 is average, I don't actually dislike any of the MCU films):
Avengers: Age of Ultron: 9.3
Avengers: 9
Captain America: Civil War: 9
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2: 8.8
Black Panther: 8.5
Iron Man 3: 8.5
Spider-Man Homecoming: 8.5
Guardians of the Galaxy: 8.5
Captain America: The Winter Soldier: 8
Iron Man: 7.5
Captain America: The First Avenger: 7.5
Dr. Strange: 7.5
Ant-Man: 7.5
Iron Man 2: 7
Thor: 7
Thor: The Dark World: 6.5
The Incredible Hulk: 6
(haven't seen Thor: Ragnarok)
Kursed being stronger than Malekith is true to the comics
The Beyonder was involved though
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think the significance of Black Panther isn't even that it's necessarily the deepest or most thought-provoking film about the experiences of african people or african americans, but that it's pretty damn good and that it's the kind of film that has a much bigger reach. It's the kind of film a lot of people have been wanting for a long time, as can be seen by its humongous box office success. There have been some african and african-american critics who have had more critical takes on the movie, but pretty much all of them have remarked that they're happy the film exists at all even if it isn't perfect.
edited 22nd Apr '18 1:03:11 PM by Draghinazzo
Black Panther is certainly one of the "cleaner" MCU movies, and blockbusters in general. It's confident in its own story and isn't bogged down with too many sequel hooks. I will say the action is fairly mediocre, it relies too much on CGI and as a result feels neutered (most people seem to agree the Klaue chase scene was the highlight).
Regarding the humor, the issue is not that humor exists in these movies but that the kind of humor is actively detrimental to building character and tension. Odin's final scene in Ragnarok tries to be more serious and poignant, but is sandwiched between the goofy antics with Doctor Strange and Hela's random first appearance, with much of his dialogue dedicated to setting up more plot rather than holding on the emotion of a father saying goodbye to his children.
These kind of issues are endemic to nearly every MCU movie, the humor is almost exclusively irreverent with characters refusing to take situations seriously and prefer mocking the threat and lampshading the scenes that should be more serious and dramatic. It's why I think First Avenger, Winter Soldier and Black Panther are the better films of the franchise because the humor was more sedated, though I was still annoyed with Sam's dig about Steve's "Stand with me" speech to SHIELD. I was almost ready to write off Black Panther for the "testing the kinetic reverb feature" scene, but they handled it with more grace than normal.
I dunno you guise I think Age of Ultron is way better
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI disagree. It is emotional, because it reveals that Odin was lying to Thor and Loki for their entire lives, and sets off them questioning just what their family was and what Asgard was really meant to be. They don't want Odin to die, but then they're confronted that he hid an enormous crime from them that is suddenly now about to become their responsibility without him. And they're left emotionally confused and conflicted by his departure.
edited 22nd Apr '18 2:21:30 PM by Tuckerscreator
I can barely parse any of this but that doesn't undermine any of the drama in Odin's death at all. The humor in Ragnarok sort of undermines some of the drama but compared to Age of Ultron, not as much. People complaining about it being a "non-stop joke fest" really didn't seem to actually pay attention to the movie. For most of it I was saying over and over again "How is this too joke-y?". Age of Ultron, meanwhile, is so goddamn annoying that I gave up partway through watching it to listen to a Ween album.
As for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, I have no idea how Ego is somehow out of character in telling Peter about how he gave his mom cancer. His name is fucking Ego, of course he'd let that get the better of him. He's an asshole who is full of himself and legitimately thinks he'll still have Peter on his side because that's just how self absorbed he is.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Ego's whole second scene is about revealing how far beyond he views himself as being above other peoples of the galaxy, that he reacts to Peter shooting him for killing his mother, as though he got shot in the face over stealing a sandwich from the fridge.
edited 22nd Apr '18 3:07:57 PM by Tuckerscreator

To say he had only a tangential effect on the plot if bullshit.
edited 22nd Apr '18 11:56:22 AM by slimcoder
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