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I saw Ragnarok again today.
Still a pretty fun movie. I think it's probably one of the MCU's funniest films overall; it's common to say the MCU has a lot of jokes but Ragnarok I think has some of the funniest thanks to the improv and the great delivery from everyone.
Hela's a bit thin but Blanchett is really trying her best to make it work so I don't feel too upset with her overall.
There are some other criticisms I think can be made about the imperialism theme could have been fleshed out more (as much as I love the bro adventures of Hulk and Thor on Sakaar some of the film's other aspects do suffer for it), but it's still a fun ride and the best Thor movie without question.
We're all basically caught up for Infinity War now.
Yeah, upon rewatch, Ragnarok's themes of imperialism, while there in some manner, really needed fleshing out. There's huge stretches of the film where, while I'm loving the action, I'm thinking "Wait, where's Hela again?". Not to say she's a bad villain, because while she's flat she's also entertaining as heck. Threatening too.
Still, I love this movie to bits and it's fun. Out of all of the MCU films, it's probably the most fun out of all of them. Though I know there's been criticisms of it being "too joke-y" and shit and I'm like...not really? The end has it get too joke-y, granted, but for most of the film there's moments of surprising tenseness or emotion that I love. Odin's death is played completely straight, much of the action is played pretty straight (bar one or two bad jokes, like Banner not immediately hulking out when he falls out of the ship), and Heimdall's scenes are played completely straight. It's not like Age of Ultron where Joss is busy fellating himself to all of his bad jokes. Hell, it's better than some of the awkward jokes in Spider-Man: Homecoming or the Iron Man sequels.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?It almost worked but Hulk chose celebrity over love.
He needs a very special episode to learn his lesson.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI loved Thor doing the lullaby thing mostly because I felt that he should have been the one doing it all along.
Anyway, I have two problems with the Humor on Ragnarök: 1. It is one specific kind of humour, which makes it boring pretty fast, because it becomes predictable. When you know that he simply will support everything, things like Bruce Banner jumping out of the spaceship just don't work because I was sure that he would NOT turn into the Hulk.
2. Unlike the Got G, Ragnarök doesn't give the the sadder moments any room to breath, and that REALLY annoyed me, because I feel that you need both, the sad and the funny moments, so that they can offset each other. If you don't all the sad any room, you get the opposite of darkness fatigue. Or at least I do.
Again: Odin's death. Most of Heimdall's scenes. Hell, most of Hela's scenes. Much of the ending fight between Thor and Hela's forces. Most of that is given room to breathe and isn't ruined by the humor. And it being one type...so are most of the Marvel movies though?
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Odin's death is frankly badly written. It is a fast job which just screams "the actor wanted out as fast as possible and had no interest to even don the costume". To me the movie starts once Thor lands on Sakar, everything else is just "let's get rid of everything we had beforehand as fast as possible". Hell, even the warriors three just die and then aren't mentioned again. Thor is really torn up about losing all his friends....
And the Heimdal scenes are not there in order to allow the audience to be sad, they are there to ramp up suspense.
There is one emotional scene in the movie which works, both in rhythm and content, and that is the elevator talk between Thor and Loki. But even if there were more of them, the most important part of it is the ending, and the movie doesn't allow the audience to truly grief over a whole civilisation being destroyed. And that is always depressing, even if it was a sh... one built on war.
Upon landing in Asgard, Thor never really has time to find out about the Warriors Three. Or even mourn them if he did.
Heimdall should have told him when they were having their psychic chitchat. It could have added urgency and some pathos. His resolve to penetrate the Devil's Anus would have been even more fervent.
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If badly written somehow means "the actor wanted to finish filming the movie and get out", which to my knowledge isn't even accurate because Hopkins apparently liked filming the movie, then that's bullshit. How is it badly written? It's a great scene and it's given proper dramatic importance, no jokes spoil it at all. And the Heimdall scenes are dramatic. Dramatic does not equal "feel sad", they're suspenseful and they give a sense of dread to the situation, and there's no bad humor to ruin it.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Thor not acknowledging the deaths of his friends for centuries was one of the biggest missteps of the film for me. And no "he didn't have time" is not a valid excuse because that's just sloppy writing. It'd have been pathetically easy to fix. Honestly the movie felt like it was in such a hurry to semi-reboot the franchise that it just brushes the old stuff aside as quickly as possible, and as a result I couldn't bring myself to care as much as I should. Even Odin's death did nothing for me, and him dying before he gets a scene with Hela felt really lame as well.
Also the previous films failing to do much of note with Asgard and the Asgardian cast didn't help either. An underdeveloped place burns, and underdeveloped/underused characters die like punks, so what?
And I think that the movie tried to cram two things together that don't really go together. It wants to be essentially a buddy comedy, but also do Ragnarok and it didn't really jell well imo. The Ragnarok stuff was underwhelming because it felt like the B-plot most of the time, and nothing really feels all that serious because of all the comedy.
Really they should have either committed to Ragnarok, or done a buddy comedy, not both. And Hela's "family" connection to Thor ends up being meaningless because they have like three scenes together tops and NEVER ONCE do they feel like family AT ALL!! Don't retcon a backstory like that and then not do anything with it, it's just a waste of potential.
Compare all of this to GOTG Vol. 2, which had it's own comedy issues, and that movie did this all better. The family stuff actually matters, we get scenes between the hero and villain to build up, and then spend like ten minutes (if not more) on Yondu's death and subsequent funeral. And it was fantastic. Meanwhile, Ragnarok is so concerned with giving us yet another Korg joke that Thor doesn't get a minute to mourn his fallen friends of centuries.

It also would be kind of boring if they were both driven by revenge.