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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85051: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:08:04 PM

I was JOKING

for crying out loud does everything need to be potholed to joking mode

edit: changed it to joking mode

edited 20th Apr '18 3:09:36 PM by Ultimatum

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85052: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:09:41 PM

[up]We know you are joking...but we decide to go anyway because it how tv tropes rollscool

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85053: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:10:02 PM

oh ffs

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#85054: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:11:21 PM

I did not realize you were joking, my bad. Leaving my post because I linked to a VERY good article.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85055: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:12:55 PM

I think motive wise, Pierce is the most coherent guy in Marvel, he become a villian of a sense of "I do what I need to do" and that is villiany come from admiration of Nick fury really sell it.

Compare to that, most marvel villians just....lack motivation in general.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85056: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:15:52 PM

The only marvel villains who lacked any sort of motivation was the forgettable one from Thor darkworld

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#85057: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:17:00 PM

It was above all a timely commentary on government surveillance and the dangers buried in it.
Maybe that was the intention, but they totally shot that message in the foot by going with "the problem is that the good guys were secretly being controlled by Super Nazis", rather than "even good people, acting out of good intentions, can do bad things".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#85058: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:18:07 PM

They sure predicted the modern US government.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85059: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:18:41 PM

I think they just wanted an excuse to get rid of shield while killing off Nick Fury,having it secretly run of nazis makes that very easy to do

edit:I wonder if they'll ever replace shield in the films,there's a tv series but it's not like they're going to acknowledge the tv show

edited 20th Apr '18 3:22:04 PM by Ultimatum

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#85060: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:37:21 PM

IIRC the main reason the films don't acknowledge the tv shows is because of corporate politics- Kevin Feige is worried that if Marvel TV is too successful, Jeph Loeb will get his job

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#85061: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:38:20 PM

It's probably simpler than that. Kevin Feige and Ike Perlmutter cannot stand one another, and Ike still controls the TV division. That and the whole Continuity Lock-Out aspect.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85062: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:39:42 PM

I wonder if that means they could do a Daredevil film since they're viewed as separate things,then again I just want Matt in THE Cinematic Universe

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#85063: Apr 20th 2018 at 4:02:27 PM

I need to get new shirts in time for the movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85064: Apr 20th 2018 at 4:40:32 PM

The metaphor is that Hydra was created by the United States government with the Nazis they recruited and gave jobs.

Hydra is the real SHIELD.

SHIELD is just an illusion and cover for what was always a monster.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85065: Apr 20th 2018 at 6:54:59 PM

I've found the SHIELD-HYDRA metaphor useful not viewed single-mindedly as a literal critique of US intelligence agency hiring standards (though the Operation Paperclip reference is there for a reason), and more commonly in life about movements and ideologies gone wrong. The past few years have been full of factions on the Internet or in the political sphere where there's a single philosophy being used by half a group to attack and bully, and the other supposedly well-intentioned half going along with it and mistaking all the harassment as just a "Vocal Minority". Oftentimes there is a reluctance to really examine the origins of one's movement and accept: "it was always created with the aim of hurting people, and you can't trim it enough to be fair when the corruption was always this entrenched".

So I find The Winter Soldier useful as a means of evaluating 'what is the originating core of the movements we belong to', 'how far are members under our name willing to go to enforce their ideology'; and 'how far are we willing to go to stand against ourselves when harassment gets out of control'.

edited 20th Apr '18 6:56:23 PM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85066: Apr 20th 2018 at 10:57:35 PM

The Winter Soldier has some pretty good themes (and some of the best action scenes in the MCU btw).

Small correction, the character from Peru in Ao S wasn't a Hydra agent, just the leader of some local militia deciding that the nifty weapon hydra hid there might come in handy.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#85067: Apr 21st 2018 at 12:38:49 AM

I saw Got G vol 2 for the first time today.

Now, the movie does have some problems I noticed in comparison to the first, mostly the jokes. There were some good ones ("Taserface"), but a lot of the more vulgar jokes from earlier in the movie don't really land for me. So much so that for the first third or so I wasn't 100% feeling the movie.

But by the time I was finished with the film, I had to agree with the people saying it was better than Got G 1. This is for two main reasons.

The first is that the dramatic scenes and character arcs in this film are quite strong and really elevate the movie. They take a bit to show up but when they do it's probably some of the best writing in the MCU films up until now, with some very hearfelt moments that honestly took me by surprise. Yondu in particular turned out to be a great character and someone I really felt invested in and sorry for, with his behavior in the first movie taking on a completely different meaning showing him in a more sympathetic light.

The second is Ego. I mention him by himself because he is by far one of the strongest villains in the entire MCU, and might actually be my favorite if not for Killmonger. He is extremely creepy and threatening, and not only that but the fact that he's Quill's father, and has some degree of interpretation to his character while still being monstrous and evil, really does add an entirely different layer of emotional weight to his presence as a villain. I had heard praise for him before and people pointing out he was one of the film's strongest aspects, and I wasn't disappointed.

This is easily in my top 5 favorite films in the MCU now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85068: Apr 21st 2018 at 1:12:06 AM

[up] There is more to it...Lindsey Ellis did an excellent video about the thematic strength in Got G Vol. 2, and she is absolutely right. Personally I can't pick one over the other, because despite featuring the same characters and having the same director, those are very different movies. The first one is a fun Space Opera adventure style, it has its emotional moments, but it is mostly concerned with introducing the characters and establishing the universe - and it does all of it perfectly. There is really nothing I would change about the first one. The second one is more flawed, but it is also way more ambitious. It truly hit me in the feels, but it also gave me a lot to think about.

Plus: "I'm Mary Poppin's y'all" is one of my favourite moments in the whole MCU.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85069: Apr 21st 2018 at 4:41:18 AM

How did Yondo know about Mary Poppins?

edited 21st Apr '18 4:41:30 AM by Ultimatum

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VoidsEmpathy Emissary of the Void from Realm of In-Between Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: A heart full of love
Emissary of the Void
#85070: Apr 21st 2018 at 4:49:45 AM

Peter half-explains who she is to Yondu when he compared the two of them. I think his second question was something like if she was badass or something.

[DATA LOST]
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85071: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:10:28 AM

[up] Actually he asked if "he" is cool (or something like that). It is too bad that we will never get to see Yondu's reaction when he figures out that he was compared to a magical nanny.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85072: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:40:01 AM

The first one felt spot on, the second one did have two really good character arcs (Rocket and Yondu) but it also hamstrung itself with a lot of its choices, especially where it chose to go with Nebula and basically how it handled Gamorra the entire film.

Ego is a great villain but he's let down by how he defeats himself with the Villain Ball.

edited 21st Apr '18 5:40:44 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85073: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:50:59 AM

[up] I liked the Gamora and Nebula arc

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#85074: Apr 21st 2018 at 5:52:29 AM

I was in the process of writing a long post gushing about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and how much I love its characters, music, and villain and how Yondu is wonderful and awesome and how his funeral is the saddest thing in the entire MCU (at least for the movie side) and how in general the movie's highs supercede its lows in my opinion even if there are more lows here than in Got G 1, but I don't quite have the mental energy right now. I'll just say that I think Got G 2 is absolutely amazing and also pretty much the reason why I became so fascinated with the MCU in the first place.

When I gave it another watch after having seen Lindsay Ellis' video and ended up actually crying at Yondu's funeral (given that my own dad passed away two and a half years ago from lung cancer and that looking back I admire him for who he was and how he shaped me into who I am in spite of having serious problems towards the end of his life, and that at his funeral we had classic rock music playing that made us think of him as well as a lot of his old friends coming to pay their respects...yeah it's beyond uncanny how much I can compare a blue redneck space pirate with a floating instant-kill arrow controlled by a fin on his head to my own actual father, but here we are), I knew this one was gonna be a keeper. And much like Lindsay I was beyond surprised how much *Guardians of the fucking Galaxy Vol. 2* of all things resonated with me so much that it's one of the few things in the past several years to make me actually cry. I also gotta say that this movie kicked off one hell of a winning streak for the movie side of the MCU since I loved all three movies that've come out since. Currently both hyped and concerned for Infinity War.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85075: Apr 21st 2018 at 6:11:47 AM

[up][up] It's a baffling combination of a sharp 90 degree turn from the previous movie and terribly written in this one. A large part of this revolves around Gamorra - had she been recognisably a former assassin and amoral then I could buy her making up with Nebula - well, maybe the movie could persuade me of that.

But in both films that backstory doesn't matter at all to her actions. It would make vastly more sense if she was some sort of resistance fighter to Thanos, since that's how she's written. She's the moral centre of the group despite being raised from childhood by a tyrant as his own personal assassin. This in general makes her vastly less interesting (she slides into the traditional, boring Team Mom role rather than being a more organic part of the group dynamic). note  But it's an absolute death knell for her relationship with Nebula.

Nebula has had it comparatively worse than Gamorra (she bellows as much to the camera in a scene who's artificiality is only clouded by being the worst example of misplaced comedy in the film), but morally she leaps from Gamorra's moral centre to "absolute raving lunatic", for both films, which means she's completely impossible to relate to. She aids attempted genocide. She is party to the murder of most of Yondu's crew and suggests handing both of them over with zero remorse.

She is not the kind of villain who would spare Gamorra, someone she has repeatedly declared as one of her worst enemies, and Gamorra sparing her (a moment that is both hard to believe but only further makes Nebula look more evil by comparison). In one scene they go from howling at each other to not trying to kill each other and it's laughable.

edited 21st Apr '18 6:13:14 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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