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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#85026: Apr 20th 2018 at 12:54:38 PM

How many mothballs does it take to keep the Helicarrier from getting eaten by moths, anyway?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85027: Apr 20th 2018 at 1:13:42 PM

I guess Mothman became more powerful when he moved to the Marvel-verse from the DC-verse.

edited 20th Apr '18 1:13:52 PM by Tuckerscreator

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85028: Apr 20th 2018 at 1:19:46 PM

And enchantress is somehow in both worlds at once!

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85029: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:24:32 PM

Nothing will be that guy at hydra who no only survive winter soldier clusterfuck but went to become KG Beast in Bv S.

It only need to move to fox and he will be in all universestongue

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85030: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:25:46 PM

Nothing much left of the Fox universe. There is a better chance that Chris Evans might manage the triple one day.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#85031: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:30:03 PM

Yeah, there's a lot of people who hate Coulson being Back from the Dead.

But Winter Soldier was based around the idea of burning SHIELD to make our heroes not have nearly as much support and be EDGY REBELS. If they were agents of a intelligence agency answering to the United Nations-ish then they wouldn't need the Sokovia Accords.

edited 20th Apr '18 2:31:59 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#85032: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:41:29 PM

It was above all a timely commentary on government surveillance and the dangers buried in it. Hell, the whole "Hydra knows enough about you to be able to identify you as a danger" is still relevant, even said technology is nowadays used to control voting pattern instead.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85033: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:43:06 PM

I'm not so sure of the The whole "good guy organisation is actually run by the by bad guys"

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85034: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:46:05 PM

About bucky...yeah he is boring in the WS but that is because is not really bucky per se, he dosent get to be a chararter until civil war.

Granted, Tony would probably disagree in that one.....

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#85035: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:47:05 PM

It's a metaphor for being careful not to stoop to the same lows as our old enemies. It's not meant to be taken literally as "there's a conspiracy in the CIA".

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#85036: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:50:38 PM

But that;s literally what it is

It's a lousy Metaphor

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#85037: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:54:30 PM

It was always meant in the same vein as 70s government conspiracy thrillers like Three Days of the Condor. Heck, the elevator battle is an entire homage to a similar scene in that movie and begins with a shot of the Watergate Hotel.

edited 20th Apr '18 2:56:35 PM by Tuckerscreator

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#85038: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:54:39 PM

nvm, too much sass.

edited 20th Apr '18 2:55:03 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85039: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:55:08 PM

That is a is a critic of "let do whatever the hell it take to kept us safe" mentalit that it show in the US to time to time.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#85040: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:57:16 PM

Just in general we shouldn't trust the CIA.

/Controversial opinion.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85041: Apr 20th 2018 at 2:58:45 PM

It's the NSA you shouldn't trust

FBI are bros though,CIA is in the middle

wink

edited 20th Apr '18 3:12:19 PM by Ultimatum

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85042: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:00:09 PM

I wonder who election would be in marvel universes.

Porbably with the US seen what politician was funded by hydra.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#85043: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:00:28 PM

All three provide valuable services and the main priority is making sure that they are properly regulated rather than abolishing any of them.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#85046: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:02:18 PM

I was being sarcastic,hence the wink smiile

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85047: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:03:01 PM

Damn this blew up in my face shit

Uh

Changing topic!

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#85048: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:03:14 PM

[up][up][up]God, I will remenber that Ao S episode with a peruan agent of Hydra.....

that was hilarious and bad at the same time.

edited 20th Apr '18 3:03:26 PM by unknowing

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#85049: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:04:00 PM

What's a peruan?

edited 20th Apr '18 3:06:48 PM by Ultimatum

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#85050: Apr 20th 2018 at 3:07:45 PM

Mother of god, the FBI are NOT bros. My civil rights class did some reading... oh god. So bad. So very bad.

Here’s one thing for starters

Many of the subsequent FBI operations centered on the Pine Ridge Reservation, where federal agents had installed a tribal president who was willing to turn over a large, mineral-rich por- tion of the reservation to the government. There, in 1973, the FBI led a paramilitary invasion against AIM activists gathered for a symbolic protest at Wounded Knee, the site of the 1890 massacre. During their 71-day siege the government deployed over 100 FBI agents, nearly 300 federal marshals, 250 BIA po- lice, Army warfare experts, and local vigilantes known as the GOONS (Guardians of the Oglala Nation). In their attempt to remove the activists, government forces fired approximately 500,000 rounds of ammunition into the area. The government followed up with the hundreds of bogus criminal charges in- tended to keep AIM leaders tied up in court and to deplete the organization’s funds. From 1973 to 1976 the GOONS, often using arms supplied them by the FBI, murdered at least sixty-nine AIM members and supporters on the Pine Ridge Reservation and assaulted an- other 340. The FBI, which exercised criminal jurisdiction on the reservation, was too “short of manpower” to investigate these murders. In 1975 it was revealed that AIM’s national security chief, Doug Durham, was an undercover FBI operative. Among other things, Durham had been AIM’s liaison with the Wounded Knee legal defense team and had authored the AIM documents consistently cited by the FBI to demonstrate the group’s alleged tendencies toward violence.

Here’s the 82 page law review article that came from.

The FBI is... not our friend.


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