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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
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Zola knows all the memes, and made half of them.
I think that Nick Fury wants to save SHIELD but Captain America convinces him it has to be dead and buried.
I think the movie shows the idea is there will never be a new SHIELD.
That, instead, the Avengers permanently replace them.
A group with no secrets.
edited 19th Apr '18 10:01:38 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.If they torch all that before we even get to act two proper, then that's a huge amount of wasted potential. It becomes "act one: SHIELD off to a rocky start; act two: SHIELD actively becomes a liability rather than an asset, gets burned down as a result; act three: whatever, all we need is more superheroes, I guess." Unfortunate.
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Something else I forgot to mention. I found the climax where Cap just let Bucky beat him to death really unsatisfying. I get that he wants to save Bucky, and that he's willing to risk his life to do it, but that's a really dumb way to go about it. "I'm just going to stop fighting and let the plot take over" is stupid. What I'd much rather have seen is "Bucky, you're sick. Hydra brainwashed you. I want to help you. We'll get you treated, make you well again. But part of your sickness means you think you have to fight me, so I'm going to have to beat you senseless first. Sorry." And then he does that. Would have made a nice counterpoint where he can show off his kung-fu after spending most of the movie just shooting dudes, too — especially if Bucky shows no such restraint and keeps trying to shoot him.
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Also, where the hell was Hawkeye during all of this? He, Cap, and Black Widow seem to be the only Avengers that are also full-time SHIELD agents, so his absence during a SHIELD-focused movie is rather conspicuous. His character would have been a pretty good match for this kind of action, too (as opposed to some of the other Avengers, who could just punch their way through the entire plot no problem). Seems like a missed opportunity.
edited 20th Apr '18 4:44:40 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I heard it was an actor availability thing
Until otherwise confirmed I'm going to assume Hawkeye was on his farm, far from any cell signal and he's going to be flabbergasted when he gets back
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
He has a brief and horrifying moment when he has to wonder who is paying his salary now
His retirement plan was ironically not very robust!
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI assumed the Helicarrier crew we saw in Age of Ultron wasn't really a reformed SHIELD. Just that, when SHIELD collapsed, there was still one Helicarrier sitting on the ground somewhere (I think Fury explicitly refers to taking it out of "mothballs") and Fury called up a few old friends to get it in the air.
None of the ex-SHIELD people who show up in AOU were connected with Coulson. The films and the TV Shows are basically two separated continuities at this point, since NOTHING in any of the shows has EVER been mentioned in ANY of the films to date.
So in the film, Fury just got Maria Hill, that one SHIELD guy who stood up to Crossbones in TWS, and a few other old buddies and decided to go help out The Avengers. I never took it as "SHIELD is back."
Agents of SHIELD reveals that they were connected to Coulson.
But it was so off hand that it didn't really matter or land.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThere are facts from the TV shows which made it into the movies, though. Ie the fact that Peggy became the leader of Shield was first introduced in a one-shot and then expanded in the TV show before it became a known fact in the movie verse. And speaking of Agent Carter, Civil war has a direct reference to Agent Carter season 2 when Sharon Carter mentions that Aunt Peggy gifted her the first garter holster (Peggy in turn got her first from Anna, Jarvis' wife).
The connection between the TV shows and the various movie franchise are actually pretty similar. You don't need to watch the ironman movies to understand the Thor movies, but if you do it, it gives you additional background information. So to claim that the TV shows are not part of the MCU is pretty much like claiming that the various movie franchises don't belong in the same continuity. They obviously do.
Honestly AOU is where they probably could have got away with an AOS Easter egg I think. Yeah you probably wouldn't want Coulson to be there since that'd be confusing to people who don't watch the show. But they could have maybe had May, Fitz, and Simmons on that Hellicarrier with Fury and Hill. You don't even have to draw attention to them, they'd just be there. And the people who match the show would like the little nod, whereas if you don't watch, then they're just some ex-SHIELD people that Fury got to help out, so no biggie.
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Yes, but apparently this is difficult to do due to the different shooting schedule. Basically when the scene on the bridge was filmed the script for the episodes surrounding Ao S wasn't even written yet. Hence the writers had no idea which characters could reasonably be around.
So, a really funny summary about everything which happened in the MCU so far (including comic book tie ins):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG-ZtsbUQKs
It's nearly three hours long, but well worth watching.
edited 20th Apr '18 11:03:14 AM by Swanpride
