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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
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  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84926: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:28:30 PM

He punked Pietro too.

And of course, he pointed out the utter ridiculousness of going into the situation they were in (an entire country being lifted into the sky while besieged by Giant Robots while he only had a bow), then went back out to kick some ass.

Hawkeye's all good. He's all good.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84927: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:29:49 PM

I'm rather fond of Hawkeye, and I am kinda curious where he is in all the Infinity War marketing.

See, everybody says he has no superpowers, but that's not true. His superpower is being the only Avenger who's actually well-adjusted and living a happy, stable life. tongue

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84928: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:41:20 PM

I'd mock but that really is a superpower in a superhero universe.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84929: Apr 19th 2018 at 12:53:32 PM

He was also pretty badass in Civil War....I mean, he did manage to trick Vision at least for a while.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84930: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:09:04 PM

The promotional rounds are starting up.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84931: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:22:30 PM

Again: Can you keep it please to the spoiler discussion? The title of the vid is already giving away more than I want to know.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84932: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:23:17 PM

The title of the video does not give away anything.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84933: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:25:17 PM

Also, it's actual promotional material and thus not a spoiler. When it comes to videos, we only really do that for leaks, not officially released clips and content.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:25:51 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84934: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:25:36 PM

The video itself spoils a pretty cool fight scene, though, so I'd strike it and move it to the spoiler thread that has been set up for this very reason.

All promotional material is a spoiler if you've already decided to see the film.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:26:34 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84935: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:29:28 PM

I don't see why you need to strike the post if the title/thumbnail aren't spoilers. Just don't click 'play'.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84936: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:30:22 PM

I know that some might disagree, but in the last week before a release, when all the TV spots are airing, I always do my best to avoid them because they just reveal way too much. Always. And with Infinity War, I am doubly careful. I have avoided information about the movie since the second trailer dropped. I even stopped watching movie news shows and anything else which might ruin it for me.

[up] The title of those vids tend to be spoilery.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:32:13 PM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84937: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:44:02 PM

The title of the video is not a spoiler. It says there's a fight between two opposing sides (which has already been shown in all the trailers), which, duh.

[up][up]Exactly. It's not like it's autoplay.

Anyway, new Ant-Man and the Wasp photo.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:44:32 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84938: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:47:24 PM

[up] The trailer only shows that those sides are involved in the conflict, not which Avenger will fight against them man to man.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84939: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:48:13 PM

And plot details on the movie via Entertainment Weekly:

Evangeline Lilly’s Hope van Dyne (a.k.a. the Wasp) may share the power of miniaturization with Paul Rudd’s Scott Lang (a.k.a. Ant-Man) in Ant-Man and the Wasp (out July 6), but the film is a big deal for the Lost actress. The Wasp is, after all, the first female superhero to appear in the title of a Marvel Cinematic Universe film. “It means a lot to me,” says Lilly. “If I’m honest with myself, I feel a lot of pressure to make sure that it is everything that the world wants it to be.”

The film concerns the quest by van Dyne, Lang, and scientist Hank Pym (Michael Douglas) to rescue Janet van Dyne — that’s Hope’s mother and Hank’s wife — from the Quantum Realm, an alternate dimension into which she disappeared decades previously. “Scott entered the Quantum Realm in the first film and came back, which is something they thought was impossible,” says Lilly. “The question has arisen, ‘Can Janet come back?’ So the entire film, my character is hell-bent on finding a way to get into the Quantum Realm and bring her back.”

Janet is played by none other than Batman Returns actress Michelle Pfeiffer. “She hasn’t done one of these films since she played Catwoman with Tim Burton,” says director Peyton Reed. “It was really interesting to bring her in and get her up to speed on all the mythology and her place in this world.”

The film’s main villain is Ghost, who in the Marvel comic universe has traditionally been male, but in Reed’s film is played by actress Hannah John-Kamen (Ready Player One). “The Ghost character could be male, female, anything, so it just seemed more interesting to us [to cast a woman],” says Reed. “Ghost’s primary power is the ability to ‘phase,’ which allows Ghost to move through solid matter. She has all sorts of strange versions of that phasing power — it proves quite difficult for Ant-Man and Wasp to deal with.”

Other new characters include Walton Goggins’ low-level criminal-type Sonny Burch and a former colleague of Hank Pym’s named Bill Foster, played by Laurence Fishburne. “He was a blast,” says Rudd of the Matrix star. “He told me what it was like shooting Apocalypse Now and hanging out with Marlon Brando. That was just about the coolest day of work I’ve ever had.”

[up]And the video title doesn't say that either.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:48:39 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84940: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:52:53 PM

Okay....I see this is useless.....

I'll be back in nine days.....

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#84941: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:55:07 PM

That article is on Ant-Man and the Wasp.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:55:38 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84942: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:55:19 PM

Speaking of being back, I wonder if The Stinger to Infinity War or Ant-Man and the Wasp will be Scott and Hope coming back to Earth from the Quantum Realm and him saying, "I'm back. What did I miss?" and then seeing that Earth is a completely burned out and deserted post-Thanos hellscape.

edited 19th Apr '18 2:03:07 PM by Hodor2

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#84943: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:55:21 PM

Regarding the Hawkeye discussion, in my admittedly limited perspective, what's interesting about him is that he's actually a professional agent rather than a part-timer like everyone else. In the big Manhattan fight scene, Captain America sends him up to an overwatch spot to direct the flow of combat, because other tha Cap himself (who's better used just punching things), he's the only soldier on the team. (You can make an argument for Thor, but I'd call him a warrior rather than a soldier.) There's a lot to being effective in a large-scale battle that goes way beyond simply how hard you can punch things.

Of course, I have no idea how well they follow up on the concept, but that's the impression I have as of two movies into Phase Two. Most of the rest of the stuff that Hawkeye accomplishes has more to do with the insanely powerful explosives he has access to than anything else. Yeah, he makes cool trick shots, but half the time he'd be just as well off throwing a grenade or something, as long as it had the same amount of boom as his arrows. Also, he fires a hacking arrow directly into a computer port. Come on guys, that's a little bit of a stretch.

(Also, yes, I'm still planning on watching Winter Soldier tonight. Give me a few hours and I'll let you know what I think.)

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84944: Apr 19th 2018 at 1:58:08 PM

[up][up]So basically, this scene?

edited 19th Apr '18 1:58:27 PM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84945: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:00:24 PM

[up]Yes. Exactly that. smile

edited 19th Apr '18 2:02:39 PM by Hodor2

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84946: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:00:31 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Not because of the article....because my expectations of being spoilerfree are not shared by everyone here, and I don't want ongoing discussions in the next week.

edited 19th Apr '18 2:00:43 PM by Swanpride

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#84948: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:01:34 PM

The main issue with Hawkeye is Matthew Renner is just not very charismatic and doesn't have much screen presence. This becomes even more obvious when you compare him to other characters like Hela, who have fairly thin writing on the page but are played by actors who bring a lot more to the screen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84949: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:08:12 PM

I wish that article said a little bit more about what Ghost is supposed to be doing in the movie.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84950: Apr 19th 2018 at 2:09:47 PM

[up][up] It further supports your point that you got his name wrong.

[up] Yeah. I'm curious what's being hidden because it doesn't seem much of a plot/threat if it's just about some low level industrial espionage that's even smaller scale (pun intended) than the first movie.


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