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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84851: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:10:31 PM

And what about Kate Bishop?

Kate Bishop is better even with not having appeared in the movies yet. She can shoot five arrows at once.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84852: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:16:15 PM

Hawkeye was so boring that for years I had completely forgotten that he was first seen in Thor, and thought he had been introduced in Avengers.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#84853: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:30:10 PM

Just watched Thor: The Dark World. Didn't get this far into the MCU before, so this is my first time seeing it.

Thor movies seem to work best when you just turn off your brain and accept it. Why do things happen the way they do? They just do, don't think about it too hard. There's no actual internal logic, but that's okay, you don't have to actually follow anything — the movie will just tell you straight out what's happening and all you have to do is smile and nod, regardless of how much (or how little) sense it makes.

I could spend way too much time on that, starting from the very beginning of the movie. "These are the dark elves. The want to destroy the universe because they existed before it did and they don't like how it's taking up all their nonspace." Okay? Sure, why not. Pretty much the entire movie just keeps going in that vein. Movie makes a declaration. Audience says sure, why not. Dimensional shenanigans leading directly from Earth to the hiding place of the ancient universe-destroying weapon? Sure, why not! Thor is casually worldhopping because the Bifrost Bridge is fixed now? Sure, why not! (Wait, wasn't the whole reason why Thor was separated from Jane because he smashed the Bifrost and didn't have the juice to jump between realms willy-nilly without it? Nevermind, doesn't matter!) These magic science poles can prevent the ancient universe-destroying weapon from destroying the universe? Even though it's specifically stated in dialogue that they're just detection equipment and shouldn't be able to actually influence anything? Sure, why not! We establish in one scene that Thor can spot Loki's illusions now, but in a later scene Loki fools Thor with an illusion? SURE, WHY NOT! The whole movie basically runs on "sure, why not".

Outside the plot making no sense, I still have issues with the Asgardian aesthetic. The movie still isn't sure if they're sufficiently advanced aliens or actual gods. They use what seems to be magic rather than technology, but they also use swords and shields (except the shields have built-in energy deflectors to stop laser guns, and the swords have sparks and stuff emitting from their cutting edges sometimes), even when fighting dudes with laser guns and black hole grenades (who murder the hell out of them, because guns and grenades are better weapons than swords and shields). Asgard has laser cannon AA guns and space fighter jets, but their space fighter jets are also open-topped dragon boats. Like seriously guys, make up your goddamn mind. In other aesthetic notes: the Dark World stuff was dark. Yes, wonderful, thematically appropriate. But it makes it too damn hard to see what the hell is going on. That's bad.

Not a whole lot else to say, really. It was an entertaining enough "turn your brain off and enjoy the smashing" action movie, but it wasn't great even at that, and on any other level it fails miserably. Captain America: Winter Soldier is up next. Like Dark World, I have absolutely no idea what to expect going in. Hopefully this one is less silly.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84854: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:32:15 PM

I just cackled for thirty seconds. Please, I BEG you, post your thoughts here afterwards.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84855: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:32:41 PM

The Dark World is just forgettable. It's in my bottom five MCU movies but I can't even muster up that much hate for it aside from the jokes with Selvig not being that funny. It's just painfully dull.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84856: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:33:31 PM

Let's hate on Hawkeye then.

I might actually have to strangle you now Adric.

You don't get a pothole. figure it out for yourself if I'm serious or not.

One Strip! One Strip!
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#84857: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:39:41 PM

Why do all of these threads have to turn to murder?

Edit: I get the best page toppers, I swear.

edited 18th Apr '18 6:40:26 PM by Pseudopartition

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84858: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:43:52 PM

Is... is tvtropes a murder simulator?

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#84859: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:45:15 PM

I just cackled for thirty seconds. Please, I BEG you, post your thoughts here afterwards.
Well, that's not encouraging.

The Dark World is just forgettable. It's in my bottom five MCU movies but I can't even muster up that much hate for it aside from the jokes with Selvig not being that funny. It's just painfully dull.
I didn't think it was boring, it just made no sense. On a purely emotional level, it worked. Thor is worried because Jane is in danger and he loves her. Thor needs Loki's help but still doesn't trust him. Thor smashes bad guys. It's satisfying as long as you just take it at face value. Try to analyze it at all, on any level beyond that, and it completely collapses. But that doesn't mean the surface level isn't fun (when you can see what's going on).

edited 18th Apr '18 6:46:17 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#84860: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:45:41 PM

Excuse you, Rob said strangle, not kill. There's a certain degree of ambiguity. We won't know how far he goes until he's done.

edited 18th Apr '18 6:47:53 PM by TheAirman

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84861: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:46:40 PM

Is... is tvtropes a murder simulator?

Oh shit, he's on to us!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84862: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:48:22 PM

[up][up]

Yeah, you're right.

I intend to kill her by strangling her.

I didn't think it was boring, it just made no sense. On a purely emotional level, it worked. Thor is worried because Jane is in danger and he loves her. Thor needs Loki's help but still doesn't trust him. Thor smashes bad guys. It's satisfying as long as you just take it at face value. Try to analyze it at all, on any level beyond that, and it completely collapses. But that doesn't mean the surface level isn't fun (when you can see what's going on).

See, this must be why I don't seem to have The Dark World the way all beings everywhere seem to.

By the way, Adric, I need to to tell me where you live. Can't reap my bloody revenge if I can't find you right?

edited 18th Apr '18 9:28:18 PM by HandsomeRob

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84863: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:49:47 PM

[up]

Her, Rob. Or They. Either one works.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#84864: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:51:54 PM

Doctor Strange is my "I'm just too disinterested to even hate it that much" MCU film. Other than the racism stuff, but that's already been covered by people who are better at explaining it than I am.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84865: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:55:57 PM

Her, Rob. Or They. Either one works.

Oh. My apologies.

One Strip! One Strip!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84866: Apr 18th 2018 at 6:57:06 PM

Is fine, mate, just edit your comment if you can.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84867: Apr 18th 2018 at 7:01:41 PM

Well, that's not encouraging.

I’m not saying anything that will give away anything about Winter Soldier. Just watch it ASAP. And please post comments.

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#84868: Apr 18th 2018 at 7:02:45 PM

Here's a set of questions that's been on my mind: most improved/downgraded MCU sequel, and most pleasant surprise/biggest disappointment?

Half of those are easy for me: Thor: Ragnarok for most improved, and Age of Ultron for biggest disappointment. With the downgraded sequel one it's probably Age of Ultron again, if only because I haven't seen IM 2 or TDW if you wanna compare it to Thor 1 and wager it as an answer. And most pleasant surprise...gonna have to come back to that one later, there's plenty of strong contenders.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#84869: Apr 18th 2018 at 7:03:51 PM

I would like to take this opportunity to second Wisewillow's request.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#84870: Apr 18th 2018 at 7:19:56 PM

Well, now I'm intrigued. I guess I know what I'm doing tomorrow, then.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84872: Apr 18th 2018 at 9:46:41 PM

You'll never survive in Florida, snowbird.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84873: Apr 18th 2018 at 9:48:25 PM

What a powerful yet mysterious statement

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84874: Apr 18th 2018 at 9:49:39 PM

You'll never survive in Florida, snowbird.

Florida ain't ready for me! My madness cannot be bound.

One Strip! One Strip!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012

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