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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84776: Apr 17th 2018 at 3:58:50 PM

@Handsome Rob- Ah yes, I forgot about Jarvis. That does make a bit more sense with that aspect.

I do agree though that this is kind of a circlejerk issue, so I'll drop it.

On another topic, something I was thinking about. So Hela looks a hella lot like Loki/vice versa. While I imagine that the Doyleist reason is some combination of teasing the audience who might think that she was Loki's daughter and Blanchett looking good like that, I was pondering a Watsonian reason.

Although as I understood the movies, Loki didn't realize he was wearing a glamour, so it either came naturally or else Frigga and/or Odin taught him to do it when he was too young to remember. But in any event, I wonder if to some extent they turned him into a Replacement Goldfish for Hela and encouraged him to look and dress similar to her.

Which of course made it even worse for them when he too turned evil.

[down] IIRC Zemo comments while torturing that Hydra guy that as much as he dislikes the Avengers, he feels that ridding the world of Hydra is a good thing. And it would serve the parallel between Zemo and Steve if in both cases, they didn't realize their co-workers and superiors were Hydra (which is definitely the impression I got from that scene). So I guess I'm saying maybe the movie didn't need to have Hydra operating in the open?

edited 17th Apr '18 4:06:41 PM by Hodor2

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84777: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:02:30 PM

I should note that Bar...err, COLONEL Zemo considered Sokovia a complete shithole and failed state.

They don't like the Avengers but Hydra is there and publicly.

So, I'm not overly sympathetic to its government.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84778: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:08:42 PM

It's possible that the scepter was somehow regulating or manipulating the Mind Stone and was what caused Ultron to go inane. Vision might not have been affected because he got the pure, uncut Mind Stone.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#84779: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:13:29 PM

It's possible that the scepter was somehow regulating or manipulating the Mind Stone and was what caused Ultron to go inane

[lol][lol][lol]

edited 17th Apr '18 4:13:56 PM by Aleistar

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84780: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:15:14 PM

I think the movie spells out the A.I. in the Mind Stone is evil.

And Jarvis is not evil because he didn't come from the Mind Stone.

Except he has the Stone so...argh.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84781: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:15:24 PM

No he went inane after browsing the internet and found 4chan

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84783: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:20:55 PM

Listen. Even though I was the one who pointed out that the Mind stone was a trap (or the sceptre did something), I don't want us to stop blaming Tony.

No one in universe is going to stop, so why should we?tongue

I mean, it's the gift that keeps on giving, and brings people together (in their hatred of Tony Stark) far better than Christmas ever did.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84784: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:29:41 PM

I mean, you can acknowledge that Tony Stark is a disaster magnet who also makes bad decisions without hating him. I do.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84785: Apr 17th 2018 at 4:45:50 PM

Tony Stark being a flawed human being is what makes him an interesting character in the first place. I don't hate him for his actions, but he deserves to get called out for them. And he himself would agree btw. That's what he wants Peter to do better than him.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84786: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:13:10 PM

Yeah, I still absolutely love Age of Ultron. The writing and direction is great, the fight scenes are some of the best in the MCU, the lighting and color pallate, while darker than the first Avengers, is still very good, and Ultron is incredibly entertaining and scary as a villain. I think we just need to stop talking about it, because everyone who had something to say about it has already said it multiple times and nothing is gained or changed by just pointlessly repeating the same argument again and again, especially since nothing new is being said and no-one is ever going to change their minds. It's just a complete waste of effort and energy and it only annoys others.

That doesn't refute any criticisms, though. If discourse is to be had over a film that a lot of people have legitimate grievances with, saying "Just stop talking about it" isn't a good way to handle it. Maybe address why you feel that way about all of those things you listed?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84787: Apr 17th 2018 at 5:21:58 PM

RE Tony's flaws, I guess I'd say my problem with AOU is I feel like it teases him being flawed and then pulls the rug out and says, "Ha ha! He really did nothing wrong!" Which I will acknowledge is how some people think of Cap in Winter Soldier and Civil War.

And I'll also acknowledge is partly to avoid giving Tony a Pym-like Never Live It Down- Well, a "creating a Killer Robot Never Live It Down", rather than Pym's other Domestic Abuse and Engineered Heroics Never Live It Downs.

edited 17th Apr '18 5:33:02 PM by Hodor2

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84788: Apr 17th 2018 at 6:26:10 PM

I mean, you can acknowledge that Tony Stark is a disaster magnet who also makes bad decisions without hating him. I do.

You're dead to me PMC. I've never liked you.

I don't hate him for his actions, but he deserves to get called out for them. And he himself would agree btw. That's what he wants Peter to do better than him.

That is something I like about him actually. He's very self aware.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84789: Apr 17th 2018 at 6:45:22 PM

the lighting and color pallate, while darker than the first Avengers, is still very good

The problem isn't merely when it's dark. The problem is that it's flat. Other scenes like the Hulkbuster battle or the Seoul chase are saturated in a yellow-orange filter, which is just as displeasing to the eye as when the opening battle is a overall blue-gray bore. Or inside Ultron's underground lair, where there's so little contrast it took me a while to catch that there were other robots in there with him.

It's a problem that applies to many of the latter MCU films, like how Homecoming's climax has too little contrast in the dark to see, or how Civil War has basically the same lighting everywhere throughout (though it does a little better by having a lot of exterior lighting sources). It's not until Black Panther and Thor Ragnarok that we're actually seeing the MCU lighting palette improve, and actually look decently stylized for a comic book film.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84790: Apr 17th 2018 at 6:58:13 PM

Here is what I like about Age of Ultron: The themes. I like the examination of the meaning of legacy. And visually speaking, I happen to like the allusions to various horror movies, from Frankenstein to horror movies. It is very subtle, but meaningful. Whedon borrows heavily from movies which deal with similar themes than his does and hence creates a different lawyer.

Honestly, take out the Romance and the idiot prophetic hot tub, and I wouldn't have anything to complain about.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84791: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:12:27 PM

Sorry for the double post...but I also wanted to point to a featurette Marvel uploaded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trcditUaQJg

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84792: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:14:13 PM

The prophetic hot tub would have been better if Selvig hopped in with him. Just two guys relaxing in the sauna.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84793: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:49:59 PM

Was Selvig the real love interest all along?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84794: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:51:06 PM

They did get drunk together and wrestle back in the first film.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#84795: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:16:52 PM

The Hashtag Show is reporting that Emma Fuhrmann is joining Avengers 4 as (if true a huge spoiler) Cassie Lang[1]

edited 17th Apr '18 8:30:39 PM by ComicFan

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#84796: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:31:03 PM

...That sounds very promising.

Oh God! Natural light!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84797: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:32:32 PM

Not reading that.

Avoid all spoilers.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84799: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:36:49 PM

Huh the movies coming out next week.

Didn't know that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84800: Apr 17th 2018 at 8:36:50 PM

[up]x5 That is indeed very interesting.

edited 17th Apr '18 8:37:12 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.

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