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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Funny thing is, Civil war does kinda make a discontinuity from AOU, I mean the whole accident in negeria look like the russo wanted to the whole south africa fight from a diferent angle.
Adric: mostly because he is out of reach of people being acused, is kinda hard to cared what he did since he is another place in the moment.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Plus Brucetasha is utter garbage, Ultron's motivations make no sense and he's derailed by having his threat constantly diminish, Whedon has no grip on writing the characters, Thor is shafted horribly, Quicksilver's death is stupid, and honestly? Taking back my earlier praise of Hawkeye's farm, he's kinda boring. I like the idea of it but Hawkeye as a character is honestly kinda dull and the whole "lol psych the guy who we all foreshadowed would die winds up not dying" thing is so fucking dumb and not clever at all.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?...Is Cap the only Avenger to come out of Age of Ultron completely unscathed?
This song needs more love.Hawkeye did ok for himself or at least got a step up from Avengers
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's been a while since I've seen Age Of Ultron, so what is it that makes him OOC there?
They amp up his whole "stick in the mud conservative" persona that Whedon already gave him in the first Avengers. Stuff like him blurting out "Language!" when Tony curses (which is bullshit because Cap was in the army, who doesn't curse in the army?) or generally coming off as this uptight, sort of pompous ass.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Eh, still OOC. And the joke, which wasn’t funny to begin with, then gets beaten into the ground.
Plus Cap being a Shipper on Deck for Bruce and Natasha is all kinds of awful.
Uh... the joke does happen during a battle...?
edited 17th Apr '18 10:36:02 AM by wisewillow
Vision was pretty confirmation to me that something clearly went wrong with Ultron, but nobody bothered to understand what. The film seem to make less of a point about Tony meddling with shit, but meddling with that shit behind the others back. The fact he pretty just accepts it makes it seem like they ignored an important question.
Both Whedon movies have quotes that are various values of witty but which (IMO of course) don't seem like something that the characters (or possibly anyone) would actually say:
I think the "he's adopted" line in the first movie is really funny but doesn't really fit with that movies' take on Thor which plays up him not fitting into a contemporary setting. And it's also kind of out-of-character because Thor really strongly thinks of Loki as his brother.
Similarly, Cap's "God doesn't dress like that" comment envisions a rather less ecumenical Steve.
As far as Age of Ultron goes, besides the issues with the "Language!" quote, I think one reason why Tony's Droit du Seigneur quote is so infamous is because besides being rather more skeevy than fits Tony's personality, it seems unnatural as dialogue because the practice is most commonly known by that name in English, probably because it was written about (and to some extent invented by) 18th century French authors who called it that. So, while the Latin term for the practice, "jus primae noctis" is also used in English, it's more obscure and therefore less likely to be used by Tony or anyone. it's kind of like how there is apparently a Greek term that means the same thing as Schadenfreude ("Epicharikaky"), but we don't really use it in English anymore because the concept was codified in Germany.
I'm also not a fan of Cap's empathetic comment about Wanda and Pietro that compares them to himself and by extension compares Erskine and Strucker. Although this is actually something seemingly intended to show Cap as a good guy and it does seem in-character for him to be empathetic. And yeah, I also know that Strucker in the MCU is not the scary overt Nazi guy of the comics.
But that being said, Cap and probably everyone else would not make a comparison between a (likely Jewish) scientist who fled Nazi Germany and one who was a Nazi. It's pretty close to saying something like "German scientists did a lot of shady things during World War II. There was Einstein on our side and Mengele on theirs". Someone who says that needs a punch in the face. And it's the kind of comment someone would make who was deliberately trolling. Not someone who was being empathetic and definitely not a World War II veteran from the Lower East Side.
To be fair, the comparison between Erskine and Strucker in Cap's quote is indirect and entirely incidental, and whether that comparison in their circumstances (which he isn't actually making) isn't identical doesn't diminish the actual comparison between himself and the twins, which is the point of the line itself.
Cap isn't saying "Erskine and Strucker are the same, so the twins submitting to his experiments is okay," he's saying "the twins' motivations are similar to mine, and we came to similar decisions despite our different situations."
It's actually one of the few moments in Whedon's movies where Cap is the most like he is in The First Avenger, despite the rest of his characterization. He had a similar "you're from an enemy nation, but we're very similar" initial reaction to Erskine.
edited 17th Apr '18 11:20:50 AM by KnownUnknown
I can give Whedon a pass on the first Avengers since it was produced before Captain America's movie was even released, so it makes sense that his handle on the character was not as good as it could've been (such as playing Steve off as very stuffy and rule-oriented, which is really not what he was like in his solo flick).
But yeah by the time we got to Age of Ultron, it was way more obvious that he didn't have a good handle on Steve.
To be fair, cap being uptight is PART of is chararterization, it just the context.
with Whedon it make him more Mild version of is ultimate self which is somewhat fixed on is ideas and confrontational about it.
Meanwhile the russo version make him someone with kinda a messiah or hero complex, which is a little bit problematic in general.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"@Known Unknown- Yeah, I can see that and I guess I'm reading a bit too much into it, especially because it's like Whedon's only good Cap scene.
But I still have some issues with the quote because of the origin that the movie gives Wanda and Pietro. Which as I understand it, kind of makes them composite characters with the Fenris twins
. And like while I'm not really a stickler for the idea that Wanda and Pietro need to be explicitly Jewish or Romani, I'm kind of not a fan of the implications of tying them to Hydra and Nazism.
Overall, I think that the movie obviously wanted to set up things down the road, including Wanda being a reformed supervillain and the power of the Mind Stone/the broader Infinity Wars plot. But it did so in a questionable way, so I'm happy to treat it as Broad Strokes, just like subsequent movies chose to.
edited 17th Apr '18 11:48:49 AM by Hodor2
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I dont because there wasnt any waring about it and it come as Civil war try to whitewash her action that result in sokovia destruction while putting all of it in tony.
Oh sorry, no problematic in the social sense but in the chararter sense: Cap have this idea that he cant just turn away of being a hero and helping other, even if that can be doing something worst.
and alas, he got right into zemo trap because of it.
edited 17th Apr '18 11:44:26 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Age of Ultron doesn’t properly develop a lot of its arcs, and while many of Cap’s moments are embarrassing (including that one bizarre bit where he becomes Joss’s mouthpiece to tell Bruce to date Widow), I did like the nightmare struggle they set up for him. It’s a fascinating idea, the dark side of Steve’s persistence resulting in him not knowing what to do with peace. And it develops well from his characterization in The Winter Soldier, where he was happiest during fights but struggled to imagine with Sam what he’d like to do outside of his job as a soldier. But yet again, AOU raised it then dropped it.

they took all of Hulk money,all of it!
no wonder he was so mad
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