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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84701: Apr 17th 2018 at 6:39:19 AM

He sold weapons to terrorists before he was Iron man and created Ultron after he became Iron man,so yes he deserves a lot of stick

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#84702: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:25:58 AM

[up][up] He tries, but tends to get shit regardless of whether he's right or wrong.

[up] He didn't, Stane did behind his back and Tony put a stop to it when he learned. Tony (and Bruce) were not in control of the circumstances that created Ultron and when they did it correctly created Vision.

edited 17th Apr '18 7:36:43 AM by Cross

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#84703: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:33:25 AM

[up] Exactly my point.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84704: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:33:37 AM

Meh. I still blame Tony.

It's fun.

I mean, you're right about the Ultron thing, but Tony blames himself anyway, and without the knowledge that Ultron was going to happen in some form anyway, so does everyone else.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84705: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:37:28 AM

He is unqualified to be a mentor.

Also Happy is terrible at his job.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cross (Don’t ask)
#84706: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:40:03 AM

Pretty much used to Rob doing it, so it's fine. Beside you usually acknowledge when you're wrong.

However, after a point I do think certain characters might get enough shit in-universe that we should consider we're witnessing their super villain origin.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84707: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:43:09 AM

Let's start blaming Odin for stuff

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84708: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:44:44 AM

Actually I think we should start blaming Spider man for things,like stealing pizza

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84709: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:45:56 AM

What a dick

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84710: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:46:11 AM

Wait I thought it was Matt's fault for everything.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84711: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:46:32 AM

No, it's Danny's.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84712: Apr 17th 2018 at 7:54:04 AM

I blame all of them.

But Tony the most.tongue

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84713: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:23:28 AM

Also, truth be told I'm kind of annoyed with trying to absolve Tony of Ultron? The man fucked up with that, it shouldn't be that hard to get. The issue is that when he does the exact same thing, he's rewarded for it and has no development or growth because Whedon shit the bed writing Age of Ultron. Vision's creation isn't a plus for Tony, it's a minus (and a minus for Whedon too).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84714: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:29:28 AM

See, I do think Ultron isn't totally Tony's fault.

Like he said, he'd barely done anything, and was only three days in, then he leaves for a few minutes to have a party and suddenly Ultron comes alive and goes evil?

How did it make that big a jump in the few hours he wasn't watching? Especially since it was supposed to be a years long project.

I mean, we've all agreed that there was some kind of trap in the mind gem that would have created Ultron one way or another right?

Can't really judge the Vision thing, and I don't hate Whedon the way so many seem to now, so I'm leaving that one alone.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84715: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:31:19 AM

I'll agree with Adric that it's wierd that Tony's response to Ultron is to do the exact same thing again except it turns out right, but I'll also agree with Rob that while people had reservations about Ultron, thinking that it would suddenly turn into a genocidal threat is not exactly anything anyone could have possibly predicted.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#84716: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:31:39 AM

[up]It still is fault for using alien tech to create ultron, hell Civil war try to downplay by Zemo acusing tony of ONLY is family, and just that, because otherwise it would be imposible to him to come clean of all this.

and then there is of course wanda mind inducing tony...but let not come to that.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84717: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:35:16 AM

I can judge the Vision thing for being a major narrative mistake. Tony's supposed to have an arc about not meddling with shit, right? Vision completely shits the bed on that because instead it's "Oh lol Tony knows what he's doing after all, guys" and it's complete bullshit. Tony learns nothing and Whedon goes for a clean ending that is completely unfitting for the film.

Now obviously Tony never knew that Ultron would go all murderbot on everyone, but it's still his and Banner's actions for tampering with the Mind Stone without really knowing what it would do. They got too cocky. Also I still find it weird how people go after Tony for the Ultron deal when Banner was there too.

Actually, why was Banner there, anyways?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84718: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:35:43 AM

It's like that old saying

Set an industrictible murder robot to catch an industrictible murder robot

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#84719: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:36:39 AM

[up][up]Is hard to fault banner because he....somehow got in Sakaar(really how the fuck the quinjet take you there?) which it hard to do, also Ultron is frame as Tony son it become more is fault.

[up]We need a good indesrtructive robot to beat a bad indestructive robot.

edited 17th Apr '18 9:37:08 AM by unknowing

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84720: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:37:49 AM

I think people leave Banner alone about Ultron because there's a different thing that people criticize about him from Age of Ultron and they want to balance it out.

edited 17th Apr '18 9:38:25 AM by LordVatek

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84721: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:41:37 AM

[up][up]

Uh...I don't follow any of that. How does Banner going to Sakaar nullify his responsibility for assisting in Ultron's creation?

[up]

I mean I guess you have a point there.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84722: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:56:41 AM

Screw it, Age of Ultron just doesn’t exist for characterization for anyone. It’s discontinuity for me. They just found Wanda and Vision somewhere and Hulk launched himself into space on accident.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84723: Apr 17th 2018 at 9:59:08 AM

The movies pretend most of it outside of the bare minimum of details happened anyways.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84724: Apr 17th 2018 at 10:00:48 AM

<Still likes Age of Ultron and will fight anyone who has a problem with that>

I honestly don't care about the Banner / Natasha romance, so it can't really make me mad.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84725: Apr 17th 2018 at 10:01:22 AM

Vision was a cereal box prize and Wanda responded to a recruitment ad.

Tragically her brother died of how proud of her he was

Hulk volunteered for what he thought was space camp

[up] I like most of the bits

edited 17th Apr '18 10:02:35 AM by Bocaj

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