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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
There was also him agreeing with Ego that Gamora Owed him and accusing her of wanting him to be weak
Although that moment didn't last long because Ego happened
Forever liveblogging the AvengersMy problem with those scenes is that while he is acting entitled towards Gamorra - something the movie acknowledges - Gamorra shows absolutely no regard towards the fact that Peter's just found his long lost family and that might be affecting his perception - something the movie doesn't acknowledge.
She doesn't seem to grasp how tough a sell this is for him - that she's suspicious on the evidence of a very awkward character acting awkward and nothing else - and thus he lashes out and gets annoyed that she's picking at a moment which should be a great day for him.
If the movie had been a bit cleverer it could have developed Gamorra by making Peter have a point (not right, but having a point) - maybe she is a bit suspicious about him having such a run of good luck because her traumatic family life has made her suspicious of happiness. Maybe she's even afraid because the GOTG is the only real family she's ever had since she was a child and she doesn't want it to splinter up.
But the movie makes no attempt to develop Gamorra, just like the first, and in fact she's the one who gains a family member by the end in the form of Nebula, even though that Heel–Face Turn made no sense. She remains the weak link in the GOTG like the first film.
As a result - of Peter not really being that much of a dick and not really growing because the turning point in Ego controlling him happens not through Peter's own moral fibre but because Ego grabs the Villain Ball - the only real true character arcs that actually work are Rocket's and Yondu's, who show real growth throughout the film and have a clear organic start and end point.
edited 15th Apr '18 5:00:28 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"The Gamorra/Nebula scenes are massively stupid for a number of reasons - number 1, neither stops to consider the likelihood that had Gamorra lost Thanos might have stripped bits out of her instead, to say nothing of what he would do to her if he realised she threw the fight, number 2, Gamorra cannot be assigned responsibility for what she did as a child in a survival situation, and number 3 Nebula's repeated instances of at best callous and at worst completely psychotic behaviour in both the previous film and this one makes her completely unsympathetic, and number 4 the idea that either of them were ready to save (Gamorra) or spare (Nebula) the other is not supported by what they were doing in the very same fight scene or any previous appearance.
Development isn't development if it's so blatantly inorganic and insincere, and anyway Gamorra doesn't change at all through it nor do we really learn anything about her.
Trying to force culpability on Gamorra for Nebula's rough upbringing - when Gamorra's was similarly if not quite as horrific and she still has the best moral compass of any character throughout either film and Nebula is a raging bull who actively abetted attempted genocide - is laughable.
edited 15th Apr '18 5:22:00 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"With Doctor Strange I mentioned during the stream that, as a longtime fan of the character, my feelings tend to be that Doctor Strange is one of the most ill suited characters for a origin story, because the appeal of Doctor Strange is that he's this polite, cunning and brilliant gentleman of the occult who's already exhasutively well-versed with all this weird shit and you just enter into his world to witness the sheer madness of the world of magic.
So the appeal of his character is him already being well-versed in magic and the world of magic being well-versed with him. Other famous comic book occultists share similar concepts like John Constantine and Hellboy, both who are usually already established veterans of the occult when we first meet them. It's almost unheard of to introduce Constantine and Hellboy as young people who know jack shit about magic.
The Doctor from Doctor Who is similar, nobody is really interested in seeing him as a young student in Gallifrey. Hell, Sherlock Holmes is similar: we meet him already as a brilliant detective and get on his business.
Doctor Strange, overall, is not a character very suited for origin stories. It's why the Doc Strange film only really picks up in the last third of the film when Strange is adept at magic and we get to see more comic book style-Strange shenanigans like the climax with the reversing time gambit and the "Dormammu i've come to bargain" sequence which are legitimately inventive and exciting but by then we're way too late.
A Doctor Strange film should have been the type of film that starts with Doctor Strange floating across the Sanctum in a lotus stance while sipping tea and asking Wong what eldritch beast emerged from the aether today while Wong casually beheads demonic entities coming out of the fridge while chatting with Strange in a very nonchalant manner.
For me, if I had to make a film about Doctor Strange I'd make Nightmare (think Freddy Krueguer as an eldritch god) the main villain with Doctor Strange already established as a sorcerer. So Strange would wander across the Nightmare realms in very trippy sequences and during those sequences Strange would confront his past as a assholeish surgeon so the character would face his past as the audience learns about it.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Yeah, that almost happened.
What Could Have Been, indeed.
edited 15th Apr '18 5:38:59 PM by MapleSamurai
The way to handle Dr Strange might be very similar to Doctor Who
Drop an outsider into his life
I know one of the more recent comics did that with the cool librarian lady
You could still do flashbacks to his training as needed
Forever liveblogging the AvengersDoctor Strange is very much the magical equivalent to Doctor Who. He usually needs someone to fulfill the role of The Watson. In several classic stories Wong fulfills that role to an extent (though he's acquainted with magic he's not a full-on sorcerer in the comics) while still being fairly out-there to not become boring.
Thinking about it, a Doctor Strange film from Wong's POV showing how he meets and forges a bond with Strange would actually be pretty great.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."And to be fair to Sam and Bucky, their skill sets are largely centered about making the other person dead. Which is kind of the exact opposite of what they were trying to do at the airport.
Quoth one Tony Stark, to one Peter Parker: “If Cap wanted to lay you out he would have.”
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The worst he's ever been was when he had that argument with Rocket that nearly got them all killed from what I remember.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"