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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
For all intents and purposes unless they explicitly survived Ragnarok, I'm assuming they're dead.
This song needs more love.I choose to believe Sif was sent on a wild goose chase by Odinloki for the hilarity of her coming back to find Asgard blown up
edited 14th Apr '18 8:54:19 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersFunnier possibility:
Loki got into the habit of just. Hiding Asgard when he knew she was coming back. Cause god of mischief gotta mischief.
So she spends an inordinate amount of time in the space where Asgard was waving her arms around trying to find it.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersA few of the tropers and I watched Doctor Strange this weekend, some of us a rewatch, others for the first time.
Doctor Strange is not the first "Tony Stark clone" of the MCU, but it is by far the most blatant. What worsens it from others like Thor or Ant-Man is how little there is to describe the cast apart from their counterparts in other films. I can tell you that Jane is a cosmic scientist passionate about her work. I can tell you that Hope is an uptight but moral businesswoman with family issues. I can't remember anything about Strange's love interest in this film aside that she's a doctor; I don't even remember her name.
I remember having issues with visibility before, but now I can see that this film's color grading is absolutely awful. Nearly every scene is tinted the same shade of brown-gray. It causes problems with editing because it's hard to immediately tell when we've moved to a new location, and it also causes scenes that should be whimsical appear drab and duller than they were intended to be.
Strange himself has troubled character development. His one redeeming quality, that he has a great respect for the sanctity of life, isn't made clear until 2/3rds through the movie. Up until then he didn't seem to care about being a doctor specifically, just about proving his genius. Emphasizing more that he wants to be the best because he cares about saving lives would've been a helpful subtext to his early pride.
Sometimes the film shows that Strange is racist and believes stereotypes about foreigners, but this is never something he's shown growing out of. Quite the opposite, in fact. When Strange starts making pointless jokes at Wong, and Wong lectures him about how anybody who laughed at his jokes before probably did because they worked for Strange, it's seemingly set up for Strange to learn a lesson about respecting others as equals. But instead, the payoff is Wong laughing at one of Strange's jokes at the end, so ultimately Stephen got back on top again without having to change himself.
I'll end with an anecdote about the film when I first saw it in theaters. My town's demographics veer mostly Asian-American, so thus was the audience when I went to see this film. The crowd seemed to be enjoying it okay, reacting at most of the right moments. But, when the gag about "Strange mistakes an older Asian man for the Ancient One" happened, nobody laughed. Dead silence.
However, the joke of "Wong knows and listens to Beyonce" got a laugh from everybody.
The joke was in the sneak peaks. Ie the joke with the password barely got a laugh in my showing either, and I know that I laughed about it when I saw it the first time, but not anymore when I finally saw it in theatres. So nobody laughing about it doesn't mean anything.
Not that I think that it was a good joke to begin with, too predictable.
Yeah, so I just saw Doctor Strange for the first time, and I hated it.
The movie is incredibly centered around Doctor Strange, to the point that no other character really has actual backstory or motivations, the movie itself is deeply boring, there’s no tension and no stakes, and the grimy lighting messes up most of the enjoyment of the special effects.
@Tuckerscreator- That's a really good description of the movie/character's issues.
I did like the parts of him being broken down and embracing a spiritual life (although as you note, the movie doesn't really follow through with him learning humility), and I also liked his pacifism. And I also liked his appearance in Thor Ragnorak.
I think what would have been an improvement and made him less of a "Tony Stark clone" is to play up him being (pre-accident) cold, arrogant, and kind of mean and having pretty much ruined his relationships with his friends. Because like a big part of Tony's character is his wit/humor and a certain amount of self-deprecation. So one way to have a similar but divergent character would be to tone down or eliminate those aspects and make him a different kind of brilliant jerk. Just like how Quill and Lang have Tony's comic manchild qualities but not really his arrogance. Or competence.
Oh man, DS again. Like, I don't...hate this movie (still would gladly watch it over TIH or Ao U), and the Dormammu scene is always a hoot, but in general it reminds me of, say, Dead Space 3. Not terrible but I really gotta lower my critical standards to enjoy it and much of the good I can find I could get from other entries in the franchise. I can't recommend this too much unless you're curious or some sort of MCU completionist or whatever.
On my wave, passing oooooooonNever watched Doctor Strange but it sounds like they just wanted to get the film out of the way so they could have their major crossover event so they used formula driven plot they could muster,plus they got a big name star because knew know his appearance alone will attract the fan girls and fanboys
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI didn't notice any particular issues with the lighting, but now that I think about it Tuckerscreator is right about how forgettable Christine whatsherface is. I also struggle to remember anything about her other than that she's a skilled nurse and empathetic enough to continue showing concern for Strange after their relationship fell through, both of which are rather generic traits, even though she was one of the few characters I remember liking when I watched it.
The abject shallowness of the cast with the exception of Mordo who, being half of a character, is still much more fleshed out than the non-entities that make up the rest, is what brings down the film the most, especially since a more charming cast would've had the potential to make up for the film's numerous other technical mediocrities.
This is how I felt about it after watching it. I really got the sense that this film was an obligation, made purely to jump-start a new franchise and introduce the concept of magic into the MCU. But even then the latter is hampered significantly by the threadbare script and abuse of Ice-Cream Koan Navel-Gazing. They purposely chose to recycle the Tony Stark formula because they know it works and trying to chase after something more original would take too much effort for something they just wanted to get done and over with.
Were it a pre-MCU standalone it'd be a perfectly serviceable movie, and it's closer to So Okay, It's Average than truly bad, but while TDW jumped between terribleness and some genuinely entertaining scenes, this one is utterly skippable wasted potential.
edited 15th Apr '18 2:42:13 PM by AlleyOop
I don't think Christine Palmer was meant to be a particularly large role, to be fair. Just a background character to give Strange someone from his past surgical career.
It's just that since she's a(n ex-)love interest, it's assumed she'll be there at all the major scenes, make up with him at the end, ect.
Wong, Mordo, and the Ancient One got kinda shafted though. They're part of the ancient magicks plot but are mostly relegated to action scenes and exposition.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Seriously though-no one has a motivation or arc except Strange.
Ancient One: refuses to die/prolongs her life. Because she has to protect the world? Okay, why. Why has she not been able to find a successor? Trust issues? What?
Caecilius: wants to have a world without time/death. Why? Did he lose someone? Is he scared of dying? Why was he broken/seeking wisdom/power? What?
Mordo: is super rigid/strict. Hates breaking rules. Why? There’s one vague reference to him being a rule breaker as a kid- so what? Why is he so rigid? What broke him and sent him to Kamar Taj? Why is breaking rules to save the world such a problem?
Wong: How long has he been at Kamar Taj? How did he get there? If he’s so dedicated to the library, why can Strange just steal books while Wong looks around like a punk? What’s his motivation?
Christine: Why is she a doctor? Why did she put up with Strange? What does she want? Who is she?
I think it's a fine movie but the problem is that I never was really sold on Stephen as the Sorcerer Supreme.
Is there any reason the guy who joined a week early should be the head of the group now?
I also find the argument of the bad guy compelling as well as the ancient one.
Is there a reason the Ancient One SHOULD step down?/die?
edited 15th Apr '18 3:37:39 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I think there's supposed to be a lengthy timeskip in there amidst the training montage, but the film doesn't convey it very well.
He wasn't made the new leader of Kamar-Taj or anything like that, though. Just assigned to the NYC sanctum since its previous sentinel was stabbed by Kaecilius. Do they actually use the title "Sorceror Supreme" at any point in the film? It's been a while, I forget.
edited 15th Apr '18 3:40:29 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

It was Kevin Feige who said she was sent away by Loki
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