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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84476: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:42:30 PM

Yes Fury Road is exactly how I'd want it handled.

And not just because I want to see Kate shoot someone with an arrow while doing car stunts.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#84477: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:49:58 PM

It's one of the reasons Wonder Woman was such a good first step. Steve was there, he's in many ways her guide, but he isn't responsible for who Diana is. And it's one of the reasons people collectively groaned when Whedon - back when he was on Batgirl - summed up his approach to the character with "what kind of suffering must she have endured to become a heroine?"

Which wasn't helped, I imagine, by his own groan-worthy attempt to write a Wonder Woman movie himself.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#84478: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:58:27 PM

I'd say that while she's only been in one movie Valkyrie had lead status comparable to Black Widow in Thor Ragnarok, and none of the women of Black Panther were associated with sexual abuse.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84479: Apr 11th 2018 at 4:29:55 PM

In fairness to Whedon, trauma is how he writes every character. It's kinda his thing.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84480: Apr 11th 2018 at 4:32:54 PM

All the more reason they probably shouldn't have given him Batgirl. He even left the project because he couldn't find a story to tell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84481: Apr 11th 2018 at 4:37:16 PM

That shows a serious inability to adapt there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#84482: Apr 11th 2018 at 4:49:36 PM

[up]I'd say that statement sums up the problems with his current output more than anything else.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84483: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:05:53 PM

let see, MCU female heroes on film and sexual abuse.

  • Black Widow: Was forcibly sterilised - Yes
  • Scarlet Witch: No
  • Wasp: Her long time boyfriend plotted to kill her and her father, and she had to maintain the relationship for her own safety - Yes?
  • Valkyre: No
  • Gamora: No (but did suffer abuse)
  • Nebula: No (but did suffer bodily abuse)
  • Mantis: No (but did suffer abuse)

I think the issue is that there's a lot of abuse, rather than there's a lot of sexual abuse.

edited 11th Apr '18 5:06:15 PM by Whowho

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84484: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:08:05 PM

Abuse is hardly limited to female characters in comics. It's often a core driving motivation for a hero.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unexplainedEnemy from hell pit Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#84485: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:23:37 PM

I feel like the problem is less that you shouldn't have characters have abuse in their backstory at all and more that female heroes have backstories and motivations disproportionately linked to abuse, sexual or otherwise, than men do. I mean, like in your list, you've got Gamora, Nebula, Mantis, and Black Widow all suffering various forms of abuse, but then when you look at Cap, or Iron Man, or Doctor Strange, or Spider-Man, it's true that most of them end up suffering some trauma in their backstory, but it's never because of a specific person holding power over and abusing them. If that makes sense.

edited 11th Apr '18 5:23:58 PM by unexplainedEnemy

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84486: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:27:23 PM

I'd love to have more stories which make the effort to give the topic of abuse the respect it deserves, but I also don't want it to feel obligatory, which currently it does.

Honestly I love Doctor Who, but I'd recently began to loathe it for all the trauma it kept putting it's characters through consistently. Character development is too often becoming traumatise by numbers.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84487: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:41:26 PM

Awww well this is so sweet. waii

http://heroaca.com/avg_mha/

Apparently Infinity War is having a collaboration event with superhero manga My Hero Academa.

Now you know you made it big when your working with a billion dollar franchise, am I right? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84488: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:42:06 PM

Fuck, I still need to finish MHA, I'm horrible at finishing animes. But yes, this is good, I fucking love MHA.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#84489: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:43:46 PM

I'd love to see MHA crossover with Marvel.

Or DC.

Or hell, both.

edited 11th Apr '18 5:44:08 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#84490: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:45:40 PM

Well the third season just started and the manga is ongoing, so. Can’t exactly “finish” it.

But, this is most awesome.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84492: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:46:23 PM

[up][up]

Referring to catching up on the anime, mate. And god fucking damn it I'm gonna have more to catch up on then I expected.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84493: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:47:58 PM

Mind you, there's kind of a crazy irony that Jessica Jones had Rape as Backstory added to her story.

The comics making it clear she wasn't sexually abused by the Purple Man because Bendis didn't want to do that when he had a perfectly traumatizing non-rape story to tell.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84494: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:48:06 PM

I'd kill for an X-Men crossover, the world of MHA is perfect for that.

Also keep in mind that MHA also has an upcoming movie. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84495: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:55:01 PM

I'd say that while she's only been in one movie Valkyrie had lead status comparable to Black Widow in Thor Ragnarok, and none of the women of Black Panther were associated with sexual abuse.

None of those characters are, or have any current direction to be (Valkyrie's actress' ambitions for the character nonwithstanding), headliners with developed arcs or stories of their own. Valkyrie's the closest, but she's more along the lines of the character whose backstory informs the hero's story.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84496: Apr 11th 2018 at 6:25:56 PM

Finally a manga crossover that makes sense

I have waited a long time for this since that Attack on Titan/Avengers thing

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84497: Apr 11th 2018 at 6:32:27 PM

I've been procrastinating on reading/watching MHA because I don't like reading/watching manga/anime that are still ongoing but dammit it seems like every force in the universe is trying to convince me to watch it.

edited 11th Apr '18 6:33:39 PM by LordVatek

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#84498: Apr 11th 2018 at 6:35:20 PM

Horikoshi's been a big fan◊ since day 1.

Carol Danvers?

He is a fan.

(That's really his, right? Not a copycat?)

Oh God! Natural light!
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84499: Apr 11th 2018 at 6:36:18 PM

I mean, I've gotten lazy to catch up on it myself but waiting for it to pile up to binge it isn't a bad idea since that almost always feels better than waiting week to week anyways.

It's a pretty decent superhero story that avoids some of the more notorious pitfalls and its art is very, very strong and expressive. If you like the genre there's nothing to lose by checking it out.

(That's really his, right? Not a copycat?)

Yep, it's his.

I have waited a long time for this since that Attack on Titan/Avengers thing

That crossover was really underwhelming. It didn't even make for a proper story IIRC, just a few spreads of the Avengers fighting the titans without much context.

edited 11th Apr '18 6:39:32 PM by Draghinazzo

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#84500: Apr 11th 2018 at 6:44:06 PM

Man, now I'm really thinking about a MHA/Avengers crossover.

Quick question - how long before the beginning of MHA's story did the first Quirks begin to emerge?

Oh God! Natural light!

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