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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84451: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:23:11 AM

After I see the film I'm going to watch one of these "All trailer footage in order" videos and marvel at how much (or perhaps little) is given away in promotional material now.

I'm surprised Tony still drinks in the MCU. I figured he'd have started recovering by now (I was expecting it to happen in Homecoming, but you see him drink there too I think)

edited 11th Apr '18 10:40:10 AM by Whowho

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84452: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:39:10 AM

Oops, double post.

edited 11th Apr '18 10:39:49 AM by Whowho

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#84453: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:40:50 AM

Infinity War got its official rating.

PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action throughout, language and some crude references.

edited 11th Apr '18 10:47:01 AM by TargetmasterJoe

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#84454: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:43:48 AM

Having seen those, it's barely any.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#84455: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:45:18 AM

[up][up] How's that even a spoiler?

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#84456: Apr 11th 2018 at 10:47:32 AM

[up] Eh, good point. I got rid of it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84458: Apr 11th 2018 at 12:24:38 PM

Why is Hawkeye wearing an exoskeleton?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84459: Apr 11th 2018 at 12:26:01 PM

Rhodey is in one.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84460: Apr 11th 2018 at 12:26:34 PM

Eh, Kate's assault doesn't have to be sexual and could very easily be done simply.

"Kate is a Spoiled Rich Girl who gets shot in Central Park, then decides to become Batman."

edited 11th Apr '18 12:26:46 PM by CharlesPhipps

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#84461: Apr 11th 2018 at 1:38:25 PM

Rhodey dies!?

But seriously , I actually feel like almost every trailer has been the same.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84462: Apr 11th 2018 at 1:43:34 PM

It's true that we're only at like, eight minuets of footage at the moment.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84463: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:28:04 PM

I don't see what's wrong with "bored rich girl sticks it to crime dad by becoming a superhero at a wedding"

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84464: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:32:29 PM

The Kate Bishop solo comics and the Hawkeye run by Matt Fraction didn’t mention this backstory at all from what I’ve read so far. She absolutely works without it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84465: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:42:17 PM

Young Avengers would be an interesting project.

Preferably done when Scott's daughter is older.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84466: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:55:38 PM

I don't necessarily see why the rape has to be done away with anyway. I know women are subjected to this disproportionately, but I've seen a number of rape survivors who said they identify with Kate and found her arc cathartic. It's also handled fairly tastefully in the comic itself; we aren't actually shown the rape (just the lead-up and aftermath), so it's not like it was exploitative fanservice or anything gross like that.

edited 11th Apr '18 2:55:49 PM by comicwriter

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#84467: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:01:41 PM

At the same point and time, some women find the association of superheroism motivated by sexual trauma to be frustrating and insulting. What’s empowering for some women won’t be empowering for others. That doesn’t mean your friends are wrong, just that not all women have the same response to rape as backstory.

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#84468: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:04:51 PM

I haven't seen any complaints about how it was handled in Jessica Jones.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#84469: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:06:51 PM

Neither have I. I just don’t want it for an MCU character, let alone a teenager. Black Widow is already associated with creepy sexual/sterilization stuff.

[down]Sorry, I meant film MCU, versus tv MCU.

edited 11th Apr '18 3:10:18 PM by wisewillow

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#84470: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:07:34 PM

Jessica Jones is in the MCU.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84471: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:07:56 PM

IIRC, Captain Marvel is about to be the only female heroine in the films not defined in some way by abuse, so perhaps it's something they should hang back on.

One of the big problems female characters in superhero universes suffer is that Most Writers Are Male, and thus a vast majority of female characters are defined by either the actions of men, their feelings towards men, or just men in general, and there are less characters who have strong backstories and identities divorced from the idea of a man needing to be there in some way than there should be.

Could they do Kate Bishop with her abuse-laden backstory and make it work? Actually, I'd say they probably could - with the right writer/director. But at this point it's just something we need less of. We need more heroines who do the right thing because of who they are, not because how men affected them.

It's one of the reasons Wonder Woman was such a good first step. Steve was there, he's in many ways her guide, but he isn't responsible for who Diana is. And it's one of the reasons people collectively groaned when Whedon - back when he was on Batgirl - summed up his approach to the character with "what kind of suffering must she have endured to become a heroine?"

edited 11th Apr '18 3:13:58 PM by KnownUnknown

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84472: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:08:16 PM

The gold standard that I’ve seen cited for handling Rape as Backstory is Mad Max Fury Road: we don’t need to see it, or hear it described; simply establish that it happened and focus on the character’s actions afterward.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84473: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:24:39 PM

[up] Fury Road was beautifully subtle. There's a whole commentary on toxic masculinity and gender relations present that I honestly missed the first time around (though the overall feminist message was not lost on me).

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84474: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:27:46 PM

Fury Road is able to articulate its messages without getting preachy, which is something I really appreciate.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84475: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:36:11 PM

Fury Road had people being witnessed...

Sorry, I couldn't think of anything insightful to say.

Didn't know it was seen as being that cool though.

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