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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84426: Apr 10th 2018 at 8:47:52 PM

Nah. If you want to see an Ego that needs to gain some weight, nothing beats this guy.

edited 10th Apr '18 8:48:10 PM by KnownUnknown

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#84427: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:23:18 PM

Since they were talking about her a page I'm curious what they would do with Kate Bishop. Teenager or 20 something year old assassin?

35 year old white man.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84428: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:36:01 PM

I think her comic version works pretty well. Bored rich girl decides to become superhero because why not.

It would touch on an aspect of the setting that has only been lightly touched on so far. People who are fans of superheroes, in-universe.

The fact that Hawkeye was a secret agent and possible assassin for SHIELD would make a good stress testor for the mentorship if Kate mostly sees him as the archery guy hanging with the Avengers

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84429: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:45:47 PM

Yeah, that is something the MCU is rather light on: the idea that it's becoming a world of superheroes and supervillains, and so as time goes on the rare person is starting to join in without needing a political/corporate conspiracy or a military experiment or to be the last of a bloodline of gifted individuals to do so.

Spidey (and on the villain side, Vulture) is the only one who really brings that right now.

edited 10th Apr '18 9:46:21 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#84430: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:47:53 PM

I mean, Trish tried.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84431: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:49:03 PM

Her only flaw was trying it within the tone of the Netflixes. Also everything else.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84432: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:54:03 PM

Funnily enough, I remember watching Jessica Jones season two and thinking how well Trish's arc could have worked as a supervillain origin if the writers choose to take it in that direction. Not that the story ultimately gave me those vibes, because it's didn't - at least, not really (Trish strikes me more as going more for "increasingly volatile anti-hero" than out and out supervillain) - but it was fun to think about.

Even outside of her actions, I think it was mostly her job. Supervillains are more likely to come from high profile places like actors and tv hosts than superheroes, and the idea of a celeb getting too close to a story they're covering or role they've adopted, becoming too enamored with superpowers, and ultimately trying to get some of their own only for it to end in disaster is so Silver Age.

edited 10th Apr '18 10:04:32 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#84433: Apr 10th 2018 at 9:55:51 PM

"It's true. That was definitely the biggest Ego I've ever seen. "

Really, he didn see very egocentric, a dick sure but MCU dosent lack dicks so far, including the biggest one so far, Tony stark.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84434: Apr 10th 2018 at 10:08:00 PM

Tony Stark is an interesting case because he almost seems to have a superiority inferiority complex.

He knows he's awesome. Built a suit of armor in a cave with a box of scraps, etc etc etc.

But from some of his remarks, his dad raised him like Cap was some long-lost golden older child that Tony couldn't compare to.

And Tony is also fully aware of how much he's fucking up his life at any given time, even when he can't stop himself from fucking up his life.

See also, his exchange with Peter.

Peter: "I just wanted to be like you"
Tony: "And I wanted you to be better."

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84436: Apr 11th 2018 at 12:11:58 AM

Tony is complicated. In terms of ego (no, not the character), I would say that either Peter or Rocket is the most cocky of the bunch. At least in terms of abilities.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84437: Apr 11th 2018 at 12:15:43 AM

Really Tony's not that arrogant anymore.

I mean compare the guy today to the guy who once said he "privatized world peace."

Sure he's cocky, but at this point that's a defense mechanism.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84438: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:13:32 AM

Well, Marvel is pretty good in breaking arrogance out of its heroic characters. Even Vision had to learn that his logic isn't always the right answer to everything.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84439: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:17:27 AM

Vision as a logical character will never cease to amuse me because like Spock, robot logic is how he copes with just having too many feels all the time

His most iconic panel was that panel asserting that yes virginia, even an android can cry but first they have to go out of the room so nobody sees because yes virginia, even an android can be affected by toxic masculinity

Less known but still highly regarded (by me) is him smashing up a room while yelling that he is a perfect logical creature that doesn't feel emotions

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#84440: Apr 11th 2018 at 2:31:05 AM

I'm pretty sure just not wanting people to see you cry isn't toxic masculinity.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84441: Apr 11th 2018 at 3:13:14 AM

Uh....Kate Bishop is a character who has a rather unfortunately common horrible backstory for female heroines.

She was horribly assaulted and then trained to not be a victim again.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#84442: Apr 11th 2018 at 4:26:04 AM

Wasn't that a retcon? I don't recall it being in the original YA comics? And it hasn't really been brought up much in years. So they could always just ignore it and give her some other motivation for suiting up in the MCU.

I mean they've adjusted other character's backstories as needed already.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#84443: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:36:57 AM

[up][up]Then they'll just ignore it.

Like they ignored that in the comics, Steve's father was an abusive asshole.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84444: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:44:48 AM

Or that Peter Quill stole his position as star lord. Or take Quake's story...the various elements are still around, but they built a whole new story out of it (arguably a better one).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84445: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:47:26 AM

Hahaha, man what pointless worrying. [lol]

Never say never, they'll figure something out so to say they can't use this character cause "ooooh this part of them is bad" is just stupid. [lol][lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84446: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:50:58 AM

It seems to be that unless they have to scope to take it very seriously (Jessica Jones) the MCU tunes down most abuse.

Which I'm fine with; block buster films are a difficult medium to tackle the topic of abuse within.

Tangent: is it just me, or is way too much information being given out in Infinity War trailer clips recently? I've stopped watching after the second trailer, utterly even the titles of trailers seem to have spoilers in them, and there's videos on You Tube titled "all trailer clips in order" that are eight minuets long.

Maybe this is Spiderman homecoming again, and I'm sure there's twists coming none of us could have banked on, but it's frustrating going into a theatre knowing the order of events before hand.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#84447: Apr 11th 2018 at 5:54:24 AM

The films wouldn't even go all-in on Tony's alcoholism. So does anyone really think that if Kate appears that they'd do the "teenage rape victim" thing? Especially since they seem aware of how many people would react to it?

They MIGHT do it if she were in the Netflix stuff, but that's about it right now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84448: Apr 11th 2018 at 7:00:45 AM

[up][up] Well, after someone mentioned something about one of the TV trailers in one of the movie related shows I watched, I went on lock down. Don't watch this stuff and try to avoid related media. Hopefully the tropers here are acting responsible in the upcoming weeks, or I will have to keep away from here, too.

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#84449: Apr 11th 2018 at 8:10:06 AM

One of the Hawkeye books changed it to her being kidnapped as a kid and being rescued and inspired by the Avengers generally and Hawkeye specifically

I'm pretty sure just not wanting people to see you cry isn't toxic masculinity.

Not necessarily no not in and of itself but combined with the previous room smashing while insisting he has no emotions at all, it falls right into that category

Why shouldn't Vision want people to see him cry? Somehow Ultron programmed social mores into a guy he insisted didn't even need a name. Or maybe it came from Hammond's brain, depending on which story we're going with

edited 11th Apr '18 8:10:28 AM by Bocaj

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